9GW datacentre approved.
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@iwein well evaporative cooling puts a shit ton of moisture in the atmosphere.
@quixoticgeek yes, and significant heat, so possibly extra rain locally?
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@peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek This was my immediate reaction. Almost none of these projects are actually building anything - it's all an imitation of growth on paper.
I miss when these companies made things.
Also on behalf of Canada I apologize for Kevin O'Leary, although he has tried his best to distance himself from us for decades.
@lovemakeshare @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek that fucking piece of fuck
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@quixoticgeek @CppGuy they can fill floats with natural gas and extend the road over the sea.
@moopet @quixoticgeek @CppGuy still a better idea than data centers in orbit
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9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek That bubble can't burst soon enough.
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@quixoticgeek But if it's in a desert it's using locally produced solar power with zero emissions, isn't it?
@TimWardCam @quixoticgeek
Of course not. If you read the article, it's going to be using some kind of natural gas powered generation, "At full buildout, the campus would reach 9 GW, all produced on-site through a connection to the Ruby Pipeline, a 680-mile interstate natural gas line that crosses northern Utah on its route from Wyoming to Oregon." -
@ehproque dunno. I'm scared of the answer.
I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation a few months back, suggesting that 1GW is enough to evaporate 33 megalitres of water per day. Obviously, at 9GW, you're looking at nine times that. That number is obscenely, meaninglessly large, so picture a cube measuring 42m × 42m × 42m, fill it to the brim with room-temperature water, and then boil it all off in one day. That's the same volume as a decent-sized tower block.
Where are they going to find 300 megalitres a day in the desert? How long can they keep that up? How large are the aquifers they're depleting? What effect will it have on the stability of the ground they're building on? When they dump that much water and heat into the atmosphere every day, what effect will it have on the local climate? What effect will it have when the #AI bubble bursts and they stop doing it?
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@TimWardCam @quixoticgeek
Of course not. If you read the article, it's going to be using some kind of natural gas powered generation, "At full buildout, the campus would reach 9 GW, all produced on-site through a connection to the Ruby Pipeline, a 680-mile interstate natural gas line that crosses northern Utah on its route from Wyoming to Oregon."@TimWardCam @quixoticgeek
I don't know if the AI boom was designed specifically to justify building a bunch more fossil fuel powered generating capacity, but that sure looks like it's an effect. It stinks, because building a ton of renewable power would be a nice consolation prize for the AI boom collapsing. -
@lovemakeshare @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek that fucking piece of fuck
@jpaskaruk @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek Not the *specific* words I would have used, but yes.
Did you know he acquired and killed The Learning Company so hard it almost took down Mattel? And maybe took the whole edutainment software industry with it? 'member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation a few months back, suggesting that 1GW is enough to evaporate 33 megalitres of water per day. Obviously, at 9GW, you're looking at nine times that. That number is obscenely, meaninglessly large, so picture a cube measuring 42m × 42m × 42m, fill it to the brim with room-temperature water, and then boil it all off in one day. That's the same volume as a decent-sized tower block.
Where are they going to find 300 megalitres a day in the desert? How long can they keep that up? How large are the aquifers they're depleting? What effect will it have on the stability of the ground they're building on? When they dump that much water and heat into the atmosphere every day, what effect will it have on the local climate? What effect will it have when the #AI bubble bursts and they stop doing it?
@CppGuy @quixoticgeek where did they find the water to make a city in the desert?
️ They'll bring it from elsewhere. And what will the people of elsewhere drink? Brawndo! What your body craves! -
9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek According to Wikipedia: “In 2024, Utah had a total summer capacity of 10.3 GW through all of its power plants”
So it’s going to basically use the equivalent of all the power generated in Utah
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9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek
Did you also note the proposed site is served by one 2 lane road? Back when they were building the natural gas pipeline, the one 6 room motel in the area was pretty busy. All other workers had to drive about 1½ hours from any sort of accommodation. -
9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek may not even get built lol.
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@TimWardCam @quixoticgeek
I don't know if the AI boom was designed specifically to justify building a bunch more fossil fuel powered generating capacity, but that sure looks like it's an effect. It stinks, because building a ton of renewable power would be a nice consolation prize for the AI boom collapsing.@VATVSLPR @TimWardCam @quixoticgeek It's who's funding it.
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@quixoticgeek how much water then? Where's it coming from?
@ehproque @quixoticgeek
They claim they will pump groundwater, purify it because it is too salty as is, then send the hot water to the Great Salt Lake. This site is a long ways from the Colorado River.
There is ample area out the covered only in salt grass to install enough solar power including batteries for nights and cloudy days to power the entire united states, let alone some data centers. -
@VATVSLPR @TimWardCam @quixoticgeek It's who's funding it.
@rupert @VATVSLPR @quixoticgeek I wonder how all 680 miles of that pipeline are going to be defended 24/7?
The rest of the world - and plenty of Americans - would have good reason for blowing it up. Although ... the USA has decided that the new world order is that you can just bomb the shit out of whoever and whatever you like without bothering to think of a justification, so that's even easier.
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@jpaskaruk @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek Not the *specific* words I would have used, but yes.
Did you know he acquired and killed The Learning Company so hard it almost took down Mattel? And maybe took the whole edutainment software industry with it? 'member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
@lovemakeshare @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek I remember TLC. It was a good thing.
the Usian prez is an affront to all humanity of course, but he can't elicit the visceral hate that an O'Leary or a Nygard can. The rage is much stronger when they come from where you are.
Starmer being a notable exception. He's like, if Superman was a Golgothan Shit Demon, Starmer is Clark Kent.
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9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek Kind of insane!
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9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek
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@quixoticgeek
Solar & wind are still cheaper than gas though, so still a weird choice
@CppGuy@syklemil @quixoticgeek @CppGuy Batteries are not, though.
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9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.
New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved
The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
@quixoticgeek
That biosphere won't just destroy itself, you know.
