@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
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@jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen Fairphones are designed and manufactured by an ODM in China. They have poor updates and long term support despite the inaccurate marketing. Fairphone fails to provide basic kernel updates and portrays shipping updates years late as years of extra support. Fairphones have poor privacy and security regardless of OS choice. They're never going to support running GrapheneOS and are a dead end.
See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private for much more information.
@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen the topic is not privacy nor ethics. Topic is provide freedom of choice and mainstream alternatives to people that cannot vote in US and sufffer from US administration madness. The missing dollar strategy to any US subordinated company by promoting products based on sovereignty marketing and make people switch to non us products to attack stock markets #MADEoutUSA
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @@keepandroidopen No, what we did is speak out against two blatant scams focused on maximizing profit.
Supporting a company which spent 8 years closely working with Putin's regime starting AFTER they invaded Ukraine is a strange way of supporting Europe. Until very recently they were nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise. It's still the same management who own and run the company today. They're not anti-authoritarian at all.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen We didn't say anything negative about them listing LineageOS as an alternative.
If you look at our response, you can see we only had criticism for the companies engaging in an extreme amount of false marketing to promote unsafe products.
One of those companies closely worked with Putin's regime for 8 years starting after his initial invasion of Ukraine. They're no longer nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise but those are their values...
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@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen the topic is not privacy nor ethics. Topic is provide freedom of choice and mainstream alternatives to people that cannot vote in US and sufffer from US administration madness. The missing dollar strategy to any US subordinated company by promoting products based on sovereignty marketing and make people switch to non us products to attack stock markets #MADEoutUSA
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Yet all of those are largely made with US tech. You're going to need to avoid the Snapdragon, the Linux kernel and a massive amount of other tech if you want to avoid technology primarily made and controlled within the US. A company being geographically located within the US doesn't mean the components and software they're using aren't largely US tech.
Europe is leading the charge on age verification, cracking down on end-to-end encryption, etc. not the US.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Yet all of those are largely made with US tech. You're going to need to avoid the Snapdragon, the Linux kernel and a massive amount of other tech if you want to avoid technology primarily made and controlled within the US. A company being geographically located within the US doesn't mean the components and software they're using aren't largely US tech.
Europe is leading the charge on age verification, cracking down on end-to-end encryption, etc. not the US.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Are you really so confident that France, Germany and other European countries aren't going to elect authoritarians? If you move to an OS and services largely marketed and based around the fact that they're French, you can't expect them to protect you from a future French government violating human rights even more than the current government. Governments are largely backing the whole digital sovereignty push because they want access and control themselves.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social @jfr_1980@mastodon.social @lineageos@lemmy.ml @keepandroidopen@techhub.social Thanks for pointing out those problems, but suggesting an iPhone as reply to a toot about avoiding American corporate control seems a bit off.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @@keepandroidopen No, what we did is speak out against two blatant scams focused on maximizing profit.
Supporting a company which spent 8 years closely working with Putin's regime starting AFTER they invaded Ukraine is a strange way of supporting Europe. Until very recently they were nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise. It's still the same management who own and run the company today. They're not anti-authoritarian at all.
@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
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@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen Fairphone's devices aren't only manufactured for them in China but rather nearly all of the development of the hardware and software is done there. Fairphone does little of the engineering themselves. That's vastly different from Pixels and iPhones despite those being manufactured in China. They're capable of switching to another manufacturer while Fairphone doesn't have control of their own products in that sense.
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@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Downplaying choosing to closely work with an authoritarian regime invading a European country by claiming it was only in disputed territories prior to 2022 is absolute nonsense. GrapheneOS wouldn't even consider working with the Canadian government let alone working with Putin. Jolla has no values beyond money and that shows in how they've provided a platform on their own websites for blatant harassment of our team rather than stopping it.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Downplaying choosing to closely work with an authoritarian regime invading a European country by claiming it was only in disputed territories prior to 2022 is absolute nonsense. GrapheneOS wouldn't even consider working with the Canadian government let alone working with Putin. Jolla has no values beyond money and that shows in how they've provided a platform on their own websites for blatant harassment of our team rather than stopping it.
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Jolla worked with Putin's regime as he was killing off dissidents and illegally occupying large parts of a European country. Jolla's management hasn't changed to another group of people. It's the same people who have no issue closely working with authoritarians as it was before. They can try branding themselves as being for privacy and for Europe now but it rings hollow when the truth about their values is very easy to find.
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they continue and continue. Amazing 🫣
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Strange statement from someone basing their online identities around a Kiwi Farmer who engages in serial harassment while claiming to be so progressive.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen It's not surprising to see someone with an online identity based around content from a prominent Kiwi Farmer is making disingenous attacks on our project and team. We're going to continue countering the dishonest claims about us with factual information. You're trying and failing to misdirect away from it.
From your bio:
> I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community
Meanwhile, you support Kiwi Farmers and their attacks on us:
