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  • grb090423@mastodon.socialG grb090423@mastodon.social

    @sundogplanets

    I never understood why it always changes.

    riley@toot.catR This user is from outside of this forum
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    @grb090423 Backwards compatibility. It's tied to a Jewish holiday, and the Jewish lunisolar calendar is built radically differently from the solar-dominant Roman calendars that grew dominant in the Christian parts of Europe.

    @sundogplanets

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      RE: https://telescoper.blog/2026/04/03/finding-easter/

      I'm an astronomer, and I teach at a Catholic college (though I'm not religious myself).

      I had absolutely no idea how complicated the date of Easter is. Wow.

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      @sundogplanets My favourite part of the Wikipedia page about calculating the date of Easter is when the church elders finally got embarrassed about having to ask their Jewish neighbours when Passover was and started to try to figure it out on their own.

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      • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

        @psneeze The Latin word for the process of figuring out when holidays were was 'Computus'. In theory, the sub-process of figuring out when Easter is is supposed to be the more specific 'Computus Paschalis', but in practice, that was the most important of all the Catholic Computuses, so 'the Computus' tends to refer to just that one.

        @sundogplanets

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        @riley Fascinating. If the etymology had taken a different twist I could well be typing this on an Eastering machine. @sundogplanets

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        • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

          @grb090423 Backwards compatibility. It's tied to a Jewish holiday, and the Jewish lunisolar calendar is built radically differently from the solar-dominant Roman calendars that grew dominant in the Christian parts of Europe.

          @sundogplanets

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          @riley @sundogplanets

          Thank you for explaining this. I did not know 👍🙂

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          • psneeze@mastodon.ieP psneeze@mastodon.ie

            @riley Fascinating. If the etymology had taken a different twist I could well be typing this on an Eastering machine. @sundogplanets

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            @psneeze Yep. Or the Rising Machine.

            @sundogplanets

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            • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

              @psneeze Yep. Or the Rising Machine.

              @sundogplanets

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              @riley 😮 Yes! @sundogplanets

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              • grb090423@mastodon.socialG grb090423@mastodon.social

                @riley @sundogplanets

                Thank you for explaining this. I did not know 👍🙂

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                @grb090423 You might also find this tidbit intriguing: https://toot.cat/@riley/116249726406937771 @sundogplanets

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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://telescoper.blog/2026/04/03/finding-easter/

                  I'm an astronomer, and I teach at a Catholic college (though I'm not religious myself).

                  I had absolutely no idea how complicated the date of Easter is. Wow.

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                  @sundogplanets

                  to be fair, all things Catholic are complicated

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                  • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                    @grb090423 You might also find this tidbit intriguing: https://toot.cat/@riley/116249726406937771 @sundogplanets

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                    @riley @sundogplanets

                    I did. Thanks! 👍🙂

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                    • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                      @grb090423 You might also find this tidbit intriguing: https://toot.cat/@riley/116249726406937771 @sundogplanets

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                      @grb090423 In the early days of the Christianity, the Easter date could be determined in Rome, and just, effectively, mailed to wherever there were Christian congregations. But by the late 400s / early 500s, the Roman Empire was in such a delapidated state that reliable mailing started to be an increasing problem, so various offline methods for the Easter determination were considered. The officially adopted one was eventually based on an algorithm developed by one Dionysios Exiguus, or Dennis the Geek, potentially partly because of its another important benefit: it allowed the steps to be unambiguously independently verified, and mistakes caught. (There were a couple of embarrassing mistakes in some Easter tables that the early Popes published. Big scandals in their days, because holidays were Serious Business. Literally.)

                      @sundogplanets

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                      • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                        @grb090423 In the early days of the Christianity, the Easter date could be determined in Rome, and just, effectively, mailed to wherever there were Christian congregations. But by the late 400s / early 500s, the Roman Empire was in such a delapidated state that reliable mailing started to be an increasing problem, so various offline methods for the Easter determination were considered. The officially adopted one was eventually based on an algorithm developed by one Dionysios Exiguus, or Dennis the Geek, potentially partly because of its another important benefit: it allowed the steps to be unambiguously independently verified, and mistakes caught. (There were a couple of embarrassing mistakes in some Easter tables that the early Popes published. Big scandals in their days, because holidays were Serious Business. Literally.)

                        @sundogplanets

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                        @riley @sundogplanets

                        You are educating me! I can definitely say TIL.

                        Dennis the geek... Is that real?!

                        Do you know so much about this because you have studied it?

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://telescoper.blog/2026/04/03/finding-easter/

                          I'm an astronomer, and I teach at a Catholic college (though I'm not religious myself).

                          I had absolutely no idea how complicated the date of Easter is. Wow.

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                          @sundogplanets

                          Thanks for illuminating this!

                          I remembered from childhood education that the date of Easter was determined by some mysterious calculus, performed in some faraway place by some select cognoscenti using some ancient methodology that little boys in the backwoods of North Carolina will never be able to master. I also learned that I should not waste time on things I can't influence and don't care enough to understand. Now I just look at the calendar and the problem is solved!

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                          • grb090423@mastodon.socialG grb090423@mastodon.social

                            @riley @sundogplanets

                            You are educating me! I can definitely say TIL.

                            Dennis the geek... Is that real?!

                            Do you know so much about this because you have studied it?

                            riley@toot.catR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @grb090423

                            It's sort-of real.

                            Dionysios was once a popular Greek name, derived from the name of the ancient Greek deity of drinking and being merry. The modern English Dennis is an adaptation of it, the same way a lot of modern English names are adaptations of Greek names poularised by Christianity's spread. This particular Dionysios was a monk known for being small and humble ('Exiguus' literally means 'Humble'), and, well, also for enjoying computing things. Hence, I submit that 'the Geek' is a defensible translation of his Greek nickname.

                            I know these things because Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming includes a passage about the Computus, as an example of an early elaborate algorithm, and, being an #ADHD kid, I promptly descended into the rabbit-hole.

                            @sundogplanets

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                            • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                              @grb090423 In the early days of the Christianity, the Easter date could be determined in Rome, and just, effectively, mailed to wherever there were Christian congregations. But by the late 400s / early 500s, the Roman Empire was in such a delapidated state that reliable mailing started to be an increasing problem, so various offline methods for the Easter determination were considered. The officially adopted one was eventually based on an algorithm developed by one Dionysios Exiguus, or Dennis the Geek, potentially partly because of its another important benefit: it allowed the steps to be unambiguously independently verified, and mistakes caught. (There were a couple of embarrassing mistakes in some Easter tables that the early Popes published. Big scandals in their days, because holidays were Serious Business. Literally.)

                              @sundogplanets

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                              @riley @grb090423 @sundogplanets I didn't know he was called Dennis (sorry).

                              Anyway, thanks for sharing.

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                              • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                                @grb090423

                                It's sort-of real.

                                Dionysios was once a popular Greek name, derived from the name of the ancient Greek deity of drinking and being merry. The modern English Dennis is an adaptation of it, the same way a lot of modern English names are adaptations of Greek names poularised by Christianity's spread. This particular Dionysios was a monk known for being small and humble ('Exiguus' literally means 'Humble'), and, well, also for enjoying computing things. Hence, I submit that 'the Geek' is a defensible translation of his Greek nickname.

                                I know these things because Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming includes a passage about the Computus, as an example of an early elaborate algorithm, and, being an #ADHD kid, I promptly descended into the rabbit-hole.

                                @sundogplanets

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                                @riley @sundogplanets

                                This is great!

                                And I agree, Dennis the Geek should absolutely be accepted 👍🙂

                                Thanks so much for widening my knowledge today! I didn't know any of this 🙂

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  RE: https://telescoper.blog/2026/04/03/finding-easter/

                                  I'm an astronomer, and I teach at a Catholic college (though I'm not religious myself).

                                  I had absolutely no idea how complicated the date of Easter is. Wow.

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                                  @sundogplanets The date. The bunnies. The eggs. The rising from the dead. It would be a challenge to make Easter less Christian than it already is.

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    RE: https://telescoper.blog/2026/04/03/finding-easter/

                                    I'm an astronomer, and I teach at a Catholic college (though I'm not religious myself).

                                    I had absolutely no idea how complicated the date of Easter is. Wow.

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                                    @sundogplanets What shocks me most of all is how the dude was born at Christmas and they nailed him to a cross 4 months later.

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                                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                      RE: https://telescoper.blog/2026/04/03/finding-easter/

                                      I'm an astronomer, and I teach at a Catholic college (though I'm not religious myself).

                                      I had absolutely no idea how complicated the date of Easter is. Wow.

                                      ranx@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @sundogplanets first sunday after first full moon after 25th march ... Easter is a holy day for procrastinators 😄 I'm not religious either, I think I learned that in my 40s

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                                      • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                                        @grb090423 Backwards compatibility. It's tied to a Jewish holiday, and the Jewish lunisolar calendar is built radically differently from the solar-dominant Roman calendars that grew dominant in the Christian parts of Europe.

                                        @sundogplanets

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                                        @riley @grb090423 @sundogplanets

                                        Though it doesn't always (nearly) coincide with Pesach.

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                                        • rozeboosje@masto.aiR rozeboosje@masto.ai

                                          @sundogplanets What shocks me most of all is how the dude was born at Christmas and they nailed him to a cross 4 months later.

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                                          @rozeboosje
                                          Growth hormones /j
                                          @sundogplanets

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