#Proton #AI #LLM #AISlop After sending an inquiry to Proton support, I have been informed that "in order to remain efficient" they are trying "pilot programs" using LLMs to assist in coding their products.
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@Retreival9096 mixing cryptography and LLMs sounds like a bad idea, damn. Even if you keep it to stuff that doesn't cross the boundary, it can still push a lot against it I bet
... Though I remember Proton overall being a bit murky as a company, in terms of political stance by CEO, and such? Not entirely sure but yeah.
Regarding the "murky" political stance you might find the following article of interest https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
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lol. another anti-AI fanatic who is completely unable to handle their cognitive dissonance and just go direct to blocking.
Hey... add me to your blocklist. Do all AI bros lack the ability to experience self-awareness?
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#Proton #AI #LLM #AISlop
After sending an inquiry to Proton support, I have been informed that "in order to remain efficient" they are trying "pilot programs" using LLMs to assist in coding their products.You might want to contact Andy Yen if this choice of his affects your confidence in Proton products.
I don't often ask for boosts, but I would like this to be as visible as it can.
[Edit: Add link to message with text of my question, and their response:
https://hachyderm.io/deck/@Retreival9096/116506589735214968
]@Retreival9096
LOL- I ran into the chatbot a month or so ago: an endless cycle of requests for clarifications which I humoured for a few days, then became bored and ignored. I like most of the proton products well enough, but no way Im going to ever bother support again. If it breaks, it's broke. Simple -
@dallo @Tutanota @Retreival9096 @sharpcheddargoblin thanks. i've seen others recommend them, but haven't done much of my own research yet. i'd kind of like calendar & drive options in addition to email.
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@mathew @Retreival9096 you should assume the servers are already compromised. Do you trust the encryption or not? If their servers never have access to your private key, what attack vectors are you so concerned about?
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Regarding the "murky" political stance you might find the following article of interest https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
@happy @saphire @Retreival9096 FWIW, there was more to the story than that blog included. Proton also provides their services to explicitly fascist individuals and orgs. Andy Yen stated several times that the policy of Proton is to be totally neutral “like Switzerland”; which sounds nobly professional until we remember that neutrality is why the Nazis put all the wealth they stole into Swiss banks. Neutrality may be a form of liberalism, but that usage of “liberal” does not mean “opposed to Trump/fascism”.
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@mathew @Retreival9096 so maybe their client will get worse. Apple does that every year and they don't even need AI to do it
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@troed @Retreival9096
I was told many LLMs tend to write new code instead of seeking for and using existing libraries. That results in a lot of duplicate code and bugs not vanishing by updating central libraries. Was that a problem or is it still?This is the difference between "vibe coding" and using them as development aids. If you just tell them to build the finished product the code that you get might work but be absolutely horribly architectured. If you yourself know how to do proper software development you can steer them to produce good results - precisely because you tell them to refactor duplicated code or use specific libraries etc.
Another way of phrasing it is that they're really good at getting to 80% without help but unless you spend some time on the details the final 20% might be quite painful.
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Regarding the "murky" political stance you might find the following article of interest https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
@happy @Retreival9096 My two cents is that it was not just one single article but overall trends too, response to that, etc
Personally I've been rather uneasy with overzealous feeling usage of "Big Tech", especially as afaik that particular phrase was mostly used among conservative people for a while until it suddenly became mainstream, and they did use it before that it feels. Though don't have any citation, statistics, or articles chewing out things line by line whenever something can be interpreted in different way
Overall I'm.. skeptical of the service Proton provides and feel it slightly pushes out focus on more open and people controlled alternative solutions
... Key management is hard though, and most alternatives kinda suck at it. Or at UX. Or ability to install it without an equivalent of a degree. Or use it without an equivalent of a degree
It does have its use, I can't deny that, but people should be aware more of what it does rather than what they think it does (thanks to marketing)
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This is the difference between "vibe coding" and using them as development aids. If you just tell them to build the finished product the code that you get might work but be absolutely horribly architectured. If you yourself know how to do proper software development you can steer them to produce good results - precisely because you tell them to refactor duplicated code or use specific libraries etc.
Another way of phrasing it is that they're really good at getting to 80% without help but unless you spend some time on the details the final 20% might be quite painful.
@troed @Retreival9096 my main use of LLM is to tell me what libraries are out there I could use. "Don't write code, tell me what library or tool exists and give me some URLs"
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@happy @Retreival9096 My two cents is that it was not just one single article but overall trends too, response to that, etc
Personally I've been rather uneasy with overzealous feeling usage of "Big Tech", especially as afaik that particular phrase was mostly used among conservative people for a while until it suddenly became mainstream, and they did use it before that it feels. Though don't have any citation, statistics, or articles chewing out things line by line whenever something can be interpreted in different way
Overall I'm.. skeptical of the service Proton provides and feel it slightly pushes out focus on more open and people controlled alternative solutions
... Key management is hard though, and most alternatives kinda suck at it. Or at UX. Or ability to install it without an equivalent of a degree. Or use it without an equivalent of a degree
It does have its use, I can't deny that, but people should be aware more of what it does rather than what they think it does (thanks to marketing)
Broadly speaking good & valid points particularly regarding the value of Open alternatives (which I do value) and do think Proton seems at risk of trying to do too much and losing focus on it's core product however … continued in the next post
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Broadly speaking good & valid points particularly regarding the value of Open alternatives (which I do value) and do think Proton seems at risk of trying to do too much and losing focus on it's core product however … continued in the next post
I am wondering where you got the idea that the phrase Big Tech is a conservative thing given it is a phrase that has been around for as long as I have had an interest in computers (so when I was first aware it would of referred to companies like IBM & DEC) - if its usage has changed or if it's a British English/US English thing, or generational I'd love to know how, when, where, etc (I'm not trying to be obtuse or awkward just a genuine curiosity).
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@happy @saphire @Retreival9096 FWIW, there was more to the story than that blog included. Proton also provides their services to explicitly fascist individuals and orgs. Andy Yen stated several times that the policy of Proton is to be totally neutral “like Switzerland”; which sounds nobly professional until we remember that neutrality is why the Nazis put all the wealth they stole into Swiss banks. Neutrality may be a form of liberalism, but that usage of “liberal” does not mean “opposed to Trump/fascism”.
If I was making a decision on email provider today I am not entirely sure I would go for Proton (I think I might be giving Tuta a thorough look) but at the moment I cannot face moving it all again and yes the ethical choices Proton make could going forward prompt me to overcome my reluctance to move everything again.
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@dallo @Tutanota @Retreival9096 @sharpcheddargoblin thanks. i've seen others recommend them, but haven't done much of my own research yet. i'd kind of like calendar & drive options in addition to email.
@kathimmel I also use Tuta. It has its drawbacks for sure, but overall I'm very happy using it.
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And the response was
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Hi,
Thank you for waiting for us to get back to you, for your question we are always seeking to find the best tooling for our engineers to build our products in fast, efficient and secure ways. That includes the use of AI tools in the software development lifecycle. At the moment we are piloting its use in order to strike the right balance between speed & efficiency vs maintaining our high bar of code quality and the security of our products that you as our customers are expecting.
If you do have any further concerns or questions, please do contact us again.Kind regards,
Romney
Customer Support
Proton Mail
"""@Retreival9096 @nomadskateboarding@mastodon.social
I was excited about Proton. Then I watched this 'non-profit' start acquiring companies to build an ecosystem. And I'm done putting all my eggs in the single basket of one ecosystem.
This answer is yes, and this corporate technobabble is yet another sign that they want to become Google-like rather than serve as some indie alternative.
I still have an account, but I don't use it. I'm 100% over Proton as an entity I can trust.
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@kathimmel I also use Tuta. It has its drawbacks for sure, but overall I'm very happy using it.
@greenWhale @dallo @Tutanota @Retreival9096 @sharpcheddargoblin hard consider for tuta. thank you.
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@dallo @Tutanota @Retreival9096 @sharpcheddargoblin this is enticing me. i just need to gather my strength to move again. so much to (remember) to change over (&, then, hope that tuta don't go the arsehole route).
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@dallo @Tutanota @Retreival9096 @sharpcheddargoblin this is enticing me. i just need to gather my strength to move again. so much to (remember) to change over (&, then, hope that tuta don't go the arsehole route).
@kathimmel
My advice is to buy a domain name so if you change again at least you don't have to change the email itself -
@kathimmel
My advice is to buy a domain name so if you change again at least you don't have to change the email itself@dallo @kathimmel @Tutanota @Retreival9096 Yeah, I really should have done that the last time.
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