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Is empathy political?

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    justinmac84@mastodon.social
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    @Susan60 Don't know if I can't see the thread or what, but please could I have the link?

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    • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

      @KatyElphinstone

      A manipulative like a con man could use it to trick people. Others respond to people around them in prosocial ways.

      But especially now the far right has made a campaign of vilifying it is some novel creation of the left, even though science says no, this is part of our wiring

      N/n

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      katyelphinstone@mas.to
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      @GhostOnTheHalfShell

      Yes. Nicely put indeed.

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      • coppercrush@beige.partyC coppercrush@beige.party

        @KatyElphinstone empathy is NTs is 'performative'. yes, absolutely.

        can anyone look around at the state of the world and think that neurotypicals are doing a good job of practicing empathy? or that they even have the right to define what empathy looks like, to the exclusion of others?

        my autistic friends are extraordinarily empathetic, it just doesn't look exactly like what we are told it's supposed to.

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        @coppercrush @KatyElphinstone You're absolutely right.

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        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

          @GhostOnTheHalfShell

          Yes. Nicely put indeed.

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          @GhostOnTheHalfShell

          Hm you may be interested in this thread as well, just because it follows on from this thought...so thinking about the difference between feeling it, and what you do about it: https://mas.to/@KatyElphinstone/116070156336606549

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            @Susan60 @KatyElphinstone When someone maintains the divide, more united we must be.We have the right to realise ourselves.
            Let's unite.

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            • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

              @GhostOnTheHalfShell

              Hm you may be interested in this thread as well, just because it follows on from this thought...so thinking about the difference between feeling it, and what you do about it: https://mas.to/@KatyElphinstone/116070156336606549

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              @KatyElphinstone @GhostOnTheHalfShell Well that was an infuriating read.

              “Our study showed that these abnormal people are, indeed, mentally impaired in understanding other people.”
              “And how does it do that?”
              “By conflating moral judgements with mental capacity we can say that non-normative results for one equal the other.”
              “…were those judgements wrong, or did the participants not justify them…?”
              “Oh, we never asked. We didn’t need to. We understand people, you see.”

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              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                So perhaps it's about direction of travel?

                Service and deference, in society, are meant to flow upwards.

                Yet we autistics, it seems, are more likely to feel for the excluded person, the animal or child… the spider in the bath, or the earthworm on a sunny road.

                7/10

                #Autistic

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                @KatyElphinstone

                I really appreciate you for this.

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                • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                  @KatyElphinstone @GhostOnTheHalfShell Well that was an infuriating read.

                  “Our study showed that these abnormal people are, indeed, mentally impaired in understanding other people.”
                  “And how does it do that?”
                  “By conflating moral judgements with mental capacity we can say that non-normative results for one equal the other.”
                  “…were those judgements wrong, or did the participants not justify them…?”
                  “Oh, we never asked. We didn’t need to. We understand people, you see.”

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                  @WhiteCatTamer

                  Thank you for this pithy summary.
                  Loved it. 😁

                  @GhostOnTheHalfShell

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                    @Tooden

                    Here's to being weak, woke, and leftist 🥂🥰

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                      @KatyElphinstone

                      I really appreciate you for this.

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                      @vervain

                      🙏🥰

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                        @Susan60 Don't know if I can't see the thread or what, but please could I have the link?

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                        iwoakura@twit.social
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                        @JustinMac84

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                        Is empathy political? an article on autistic empathy, by K.J. Elphinstone

                        Instead of autistic people lacking empathy, our empathy may simply be expressed differently – both in its form, and its direction of travel.

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                        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

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                          No, indeed, autistic people are not emotionally impaired 🥰

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                          @KatyElphinstone

                          🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

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                            Instead of autistic people lacking empathy, our empathy may simply be expressed differently – both in its form, and its direction of travel.

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                            @iwoakura Thank you.

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                              Instead of autistic people lacking empathy, our empathy may simply be expressed differently – both in its form, and its direction of travel.

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                              @iwoakura Read it. I'm not sure I would say that making sure the person above you has the biggest steak or the best place at the table is empathy, that's more an attempt to engratiate yourself. You're neither understanding, nor feeling what they're feeling, you're just trying to show you're of value to them and make them feel good, if because of their position, either to obtain or avoid a certain consequence. I thought the rest was really interesting though.

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                              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

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                                Is empathy political? an article on autistic empathy, by K.J. Elphinstone

                                Instead of autistic people lacking empathy, our empathy may simply be expressed differently – both in its form, and its direction of travel.

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                                @KatyElphinstone very interesting piece. Thank you for writing and sharing it.

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                                  @bobjmsn

                                  This is very true...much safer.

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