Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (Cyborg)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Brand Logo

CIRCLE WITH A DOT

  1. Home
  2. Uncategorized
  3. Is empathy political?

Is empathy political?

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Uncategorized
theoryofminddoubleempathyneurodivergentactuallyautisti
44 Posts 16 Posters 0 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

    So perhaps autistic people aren’t empathy-impaired at all.

    Just misaligned with a social order that expects empathy to be smooth, selective, strategic, performative, and status-aware.

    And maybe that's really what gets pathologized.

    End of 🧵

    Full article, with refs, in the link below.

    globcoco@mamot.frG This user is from outside of this forum
    globcoco@mamot.frG This user is from outside of this forum
    globcoco@mamot.fr
    wrote last edited by
    #22

    @KatyElphinstone

    I have met some autistic people. And these ones were not emotionally impaired. So maybe it is a question of spectrum.

    Disclaimer: I am not versed in the subject so very ignorant. Just observing.

    katyelphinstone@mas.toK 1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

      Is empathy political?
      A thread on autistic empathy.

      A still-quite-popular belief about autistic people is that we lack empathy.

      I think this is faulty logic.
      Here's why:

      A thread 🧵

      1/10

      #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent
      #DoubleEmpathy #TheoryOfMind

      ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
      ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
      ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
      wrote last edited by
      #23

      @KatyElphinstone

      One thing I’ve quite resent is how some certain billionaires I won’t mention Elon Musk or Alex Karp by name, clothe themselves in that label in order to, if I’m going to be honest, paper over the antisocial personality . That’s a lot different from a condition where one can get overloaded with sensory information.

      Empathy is that ability to comprehend the emotional state of another being. It is a critical faculty to navigate social context.

      1/n

      ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG 1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

        @KatyElphinstone

        One thing I’ve quite resent is how some certain billionaires I won’t mention Elon Musk or Alex Karp by name, clothe themselves in that label in order to, if I’m going to be honest, paper over the antisocial personality . That’s a lot different from a condition where one can get overloaded with sensory information.

        Empathy is that ability to comprehend the emotional state of another being. It is a critical faculty to navigate social context.

        1/n

        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
        wrote last edited by
        #24

        @KatyElphinstone

        The notion that it’s a virtue, cannot be entirely correct because we have neuron structures to make that perception possible.

        Empathy as a word that’s used within academic context is a very broad term so they contextualize what they actually are referring to.

        There’s a capacity to read and understand the emotional landscape of others, which are quite distinct from how an individual uses that understanding.

        2/n

        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG 1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • globcoco@mamot.frG globcoco@mamot.fr

          @KatyElphinstone

          I have met some autistic people. And these ones were not emotionally impaired. So maybe it is a question of spectrum.

          Disclaimer: I am not versed in the subject so very ignorant. Just observing.

          katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
          katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
          katyelphinstone@mas.to
          wrote last edited by
          #25

          @globcoco

          No, indeed, autistic people are not emotionally impaired 🥰

          globcoco@mamot.frG 1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

            @KatyElphinstone

            The notion that it’s a virtue, cannot be entirely correct because we have neuron structures to make that perception possible.

            Empathy as a word that’s used within academic context is a very broad term so they contextualize what they actually are referring to.

            There’s a capacity to read and understand the emotional landscape of others, which are quite distinct from how an individual uses that understanding.

            2/n

            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
            wrote last edited by
            #26

            @KatyElphinstone

            A manipulative like a con man could use it to trick people. Others respond to people around them in prosocial ways.

            But especially now the far right has made a campaign of vilifying it is some novel creation of the left, even though science says no, this is part of our wiring

            N/n

            katyelphinstone@mas.toK 1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
              katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
              katyelphinstone@mas.to
              wrote last edited by
              #27

              @Susan60

              Thank you 🙏🥰

              Interestingly, I got the book "Against empathy", by Paul Bloom, out of my University library last week. I'd highly recommend it, as he goes into the definitions etc. We're basically saying a lot of the same things regarding how empathy gets defined, but just using different words.

              katyelphinstone@mas.toK 1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                @Susan60

                Thank you 🙏🥰

                Interestingly, I got the book "Against empathy", by Paul Bloom, out of my University library last week. I'd highly recommend it, as he goes into the definitions etc. We're basically saying a lot of the same things regarding how empathy gets defined, but just using different words.

                katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                katyelphinstone@mas.to
                wrote last edited by
                #28

                @Susan60

                Another fascinating thing I've got from the book - which looks at various studies into the matter - is how not having empathy (as currently defined) doesn't result in more violence, cruelty, etc.

                My autistic brain says perhaps we are really underestimating the role of logic in social justice and kindness.

                And in fact, a lot of what we currently call empathy results in partisanship, and dehumanizing other groups 🤷‍♀️

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • J This user is from outside of this forum
                  J This user is from outside of this forum
                  justinmac84@mastodon.social
                  wrote last edited by
                  #29

                  @Susan60 Don't know if I can't see the thread or what, but please could I have the link?

                  I 1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                    @KatyElphinstone

                    A manipulative like a con man could use it to trick people. Others respond to people around them in prosocial ways.

                    But especially now the far right has made a campaign of vilifying it is some novel creation of the left, even though science says no, this is part of our wiring

                    N/n

                    katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                    katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                    katyelphinstone@mas.to
                    wrote last edited by
                    #30

                    @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                    Yes. Nicely put indeed.

                    katyelphinstone@mas.toK 1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • coppercrush@beige.partyC coppercrush@beige.party

                      @KatyElphinstone empathy is NTs is 'performative'. yes, absolutely.

                      can anyone look around at the state of the world and think that neurotypicals are doing a good job of practicing empathy? or that they even have the right to define what empathy looks like, to the exclusion of others?

                      my autistic friends are extraordinarily empathetic, it just doesn't look exactly like what we are told it's supposed to.

                      kennethbousquet@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                      kennethbousquet@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                      kennethbousquet@mastodon.social
                      wrote last edited by
                      #31

                      @coppercrush @KatyElphinstone You're absolutely right.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                        @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                        Yes. Nicely put indeed.

                        katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                        katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                        katyelphinstone@mas.to
                        wrote last edited by
                        #32

                        @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                        Hm you may be interested in this thread as well, just because it follows on from this thought...so thinking about the difference between feeling it, and what you do about it: https://mas.to/@KatyElphinstone/116070156336606549

                        whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW 1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • kennethbousquet@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                          kennethbousquet@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                          kennethbousquet@mastodon.social
                          wrote last edited by
                          #33

                          @Susan60 @KatyElphinstone When someone maintains the divide, more united we must be.We have the right to realise ourselves.
                          Let's unite.

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                            @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                            Hm you may be interested in this thread as well, just because it follows on from this thought...so thinking about the difference between feeling it, and what you do about it: https://mas.to/@KatyElphinstone/116070156336606549

                            whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW This user is from outside of this forum
                            whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW This user is from outside of this forum
                            whitecattamer@mastodon.online
                            wrote last edited by
                            #34

                            @KatyElphinstone @GhostOnTheHalfShell Well that was an infuriating read.

                            “Our study showed that these abnormal people are, indeed, mentally impaired in understanding other people.”
                            “And how does it do that?”
                            “By conflating moral judgements with mental capacity we can say that non-normative results for one equal the other.”
                            “…were those judgements wrong, or did the participants not justify them…?”
                            “Oh, we never asked. We didn’t need to. We understand people, you see.”

                            katyelphinstone@mas.toK 1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                              So perhaps it's about direction of travel?

                              Service and deference, in society, are meant to flow upwards.

                              Yet we autistics, it seems, are more likely to feel for the excluded person, the animal or child… the spider in the bath, or the earthworm on a sunny road.

                              7/10

                              #Autistic

                              vervain@sunny.gardenV This user is from outside of this forum
                              vervain@sunny.gardenV This user is from outside of this forum
                              vervain@sunny.garden
                              wrote last edited by
                              #35

                              @KatyElphinstone

                              I really appreciate you for this.

                              katyelphinstone@mas.toK 1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                                @KatyElphinstone @GhostOnTheHalfShell Well that was an infuriating read.

                                “Our study showed that these abnormal people are, indeed, mentally impaired in understanding other people.”
                                “And how does it do that?”
                                “By conflating moral judgements with mental capacity we can say that non-normative results for one equal the other.”
                                “…were those judgements wrong, or did the participants not justify them…?”
                                “Oh, we never asked. We didn’t need to. We understand people, you see.”

                                katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                                katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                                katyelphinstone@mas.to
                                wrote last edited by
                                #36

                                @WhiteCatTamer

                                Thank you for this pithy summary.
                                Loved it. 😁

                                @GhostOnTheHalfShell

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                                  katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                                  katyelphinstone@mas.to
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #37

                                  @Tooden

                                  Here's to being weak, woke, and leftist 🥂🥰

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • vervain@sunny.gardenV vervain@sunny.garden

                                    @KatyElphinstone

                                    I really appreciate you for this.

                                    katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                                    katyelphinstone@mas.toK This user is from outside of this forum
                                    katyelphinstone@mas.to
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #38

                                    @vervain

                                    🙏🥰

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • J justinmac84@mastodon.social

                                      @Susan60 Don't know if I can't see the thread or what, but please could I have the link?

                                      I This user is from outside of this forum
                                      I This user is from outside of this forum
                                      iwoakura@twit.social
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #39

                                      @JustinMac84

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      Is empathy political? an article on autistic empathy, by K.J. Elphinstone

                                      Instead of autistic people lacking empathy, our empathy may simply be expressed differently – both in its form, and its direction of travel.

                                      favicon

                                      Neurofabulous (www.neurofabulous.org.uk)

                                      J 2 Replies Last reply
                                      0
                                      • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                                        @globcoco

                                        No, indeed, autistic people are not emotionally impaired 🥰

                                        globcoco@mamot.frG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        globcoco@mamot.frG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        globcoco@mamot.fr
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #40

                                        @KatyElphinstone

                                        🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • I iwoakura@twit.social

                                          @JustinMac84

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Is empathy political? an article on autistic empathy, by K.J. Elphinstone

                                          Instead of autistic people lacking empathy, our empathy may simply be expressed differently – both in its form, and its direction of travel.

                                          favicon

                                          Neurofabulous (www.neurofabulous.org.uk)

                                          J This user is from outside of this forum
                                          J This user is from outside of this forum
                                          justinmac84@mastodon.social
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #41

                                          @iwoakura Thank you.

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • World
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups