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  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

    if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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    @foone Arrays are when it stars getting fun. I think if someone's starting out and they get excited learning about multi-dimensional arrays, that's a good sign.

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    • linear@nya.socialL linear@nya.social
      @foone@digipres.club i will take this opportunity to once again tell tale of the time i worked on an embedded device with a firmware written in C, roughly a 150,000-line codebase on a little STM32 chip

      the original author of the code base did not, in fact, seem to understand what an array was.

      the device communicated to another device bolted to the same machine, using MODBUS. with potentially up to 10,000 MODBUS registers storing data, but realistically only a few actually in use.

      the file defining the structure where the data was stored for the registers simply made a struct, with elements starting at "reg0" and incrementing up to "reg10000". the implementation file was just as bad.

      this is why the codebase was roughly 150,000 lines. it should have been perhaps 5000.


      the code used a small function that did pointer math in order to actually access the register, usually, unless it was referenced directly in code, or sometimes used a macro instead.

      none of this was even the worst offense within the codebase.
      gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @linear @foone

      embedded undertale

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      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

        what are we even doing here man

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        @foone im not a developer, but I can say in good conscience that I do 🙂

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        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

          Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

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          Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

          Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

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          @foone I've posted this page from Usborne's guide to jargon before and commented that I'd be happy if all programmers were as computer literate as grade school students in the 80s.

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          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

            if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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            @foone Hey, functional programmers need jobs, too!

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            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

              what are we even doing here man

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              @foone

              Well, ok, that's a silly requirement. But do you have experience in Loops (flow control)?

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              • th@social.v.stT th@social.v.st

                @foone I've posted this page from Usborne's guide to jargon before and commented that I'd be happy if all programmers were as computer literate as grade school students in the 80s.

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                @th god that'd be nice

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                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                  See? Page 9. Arrays.

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                  @foone What's weird is that I distincly remember page 9 (its illustrations, mostly), but I don't remember the book cover. I grew up in 80s West Germany, so maybe they were used in a different (or translated) book. Definitely a nostalgia hit 🙂

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                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                    if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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                    @foone reminds me of the early 80s where we got code form teachers for educational stuff. And one guy understood subroutines by not arrays. He had one that was full of
                    IF I=1 RETURN V1
                    IF I=2 RETURN V2
                    …
                    Amazing stuff.

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                    • klausman@mas.toK klausman@mas.to

                      @foone What's weird is that I distincly remember page 9 (its illustrations, mostly), but I don't remember the book cover. I grew up in 80s West Germany, so maybe they were used in a different (or translated) book. Definitely a nostalgia hit 🙂

                      foone@digipres.clubF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @klausman yeah, different publishers often use different covers, so I imagine the west german publisher just made their own cover

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                      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                        Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

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                        Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

                        Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

                        favicon

                        (usborne.com)

                        flxtr@social.tchncs.deF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #31

                        @foone For non-us users: the site is guessing your country and redirects to 404 page, if guess != "us" 🙄 But it's not geo fencing. You need to pick en-us at the home page and then request the above URL again. 😬

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                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                          what are we even doing here man

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                          @foone hey I know arrays! I can do big ones, small ones, multidimensional ones. I also know variables and indentation!!! Hire me!!!!!!!!

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                          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                            what are we even doing here man

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                            @foone yeah, that's it - arrays - that's all I have experience with, give me a dict and I'm going to be stumped.

                            No records for me, only a long list of items lol

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                            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                              if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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                              @foone was confused for a minute till I saw the full thread... lol

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                              • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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                                @foone Easy for you to say. I've been making do with red-black trees all this time.

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                                  @petealexharris @linear @foone Or had one of those insane managers who misread something somewhere once where some problem was caused by someone misuing an array, so they banned all array use in the whole company.

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                                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                    what are we even doing here man

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                                    @foone but do you know Keyboard (input device)?

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                                    • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

                                      @foone reminds me of the early 80s where we got code form teachers for educational stuff. And one guy understood subroutines by not arrays. He had one that was full of
                                      IF I=1 RETURN V1
                                      IF I=2 RETURN V2
                                      …
                                      Amazing stuff.

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                                      @revk @foone That is one of my memories from programming as a child. I was ~10 years old. I saw the starry night screensaver in Norton Commander and wanted a similar effect in QBasic.
                                      Lots of copy and paste later I had like 15 pairs of x,y coordinate variables (x1,y1,x2,y2,.…), a cycle counter that goes from 1 to 15, and a shitload of if then clauses: delete star at x1,y1, assign new coordinates, paint star, wait, delete star at x2, y2, etc. pp.
                                      It was awesome, but was hard to add more stars.

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                                      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                        See? Page 9. Arrays.

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                                        @foone I’m pretty sure I had that book

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                                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                          Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

                                          Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

                                          favicon

                                          (usborne.com)

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                                          @foone I get redirected to the German site with no option to switch pack (the 404 references a non-existent dropdown menu…)

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