If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly.
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The expected „yes, but“ is strong in the replies.
(I will now go to bed, so the "yes,, but" crowd will have its playing field until I wake up again and post friendly replies with links on how they are wrong. My advice: Try Wero, note it isn't perfect, tell Wero and your bank what is needed for you to switch fully. We can do this 
Well, I had no idea wero existed, but I just found out it does, and that it is available through my bank... Thanks!
(Obligatory nitpicking: it's Visa MasterCard and Amex...)
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Wero - Digital payment wallet
Experience fast and secure digital payments with Wero’s wallet, enabling you to send and receive money between bank accounts in under 10 seconds.
(wero-wallet.eu)
@jwildeboer Nice to see alternatives to the visa/mastercard ecosphere. Also looking into #taler at the moment, but it seems that Wero has some more support. Hopefully they will indeed Europolize their service suppliers such as their cloud supplier.
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@jwildeboer @Larvitz Germany, Sparkasse. They don't give a damn about wero.
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Wero - Digital payment wallet
Experience fast and secure digital payments with Wero’s wallet, enabling you to send and receive money between bank accounts in under 10 seconds.
(wero-wallet.eu)
@jwildeboer In NL iDeal (will be replaced by Wero) is already the de facto standard for online payments and Sepa Direct debit for recurring payments. Since a few year I also use Sepa Direct debit from NL for a few services in Germany.
Curious how Wero will work with POS payments. I read they also want to introduce this in the future.
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@jwildeboer @Larvitz Ich wollte vor gut einem Jahr komplett weg in Richtung GLS (Ich hab nun nicht geguckt wie es mit wero bei denen ausschaut), aber die haben mir nichtmal die nötigen Unterlagen zum Unterschreiben geschickt innerhalb von 3 Monaten. Da hatte ich erstmal genug von Wechselabsichten. Aber vielleicht sollte ich das nochmal angehen.
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Wero - Digital payment wallet
Experience fast and secure digital payments with Wero’s wallet, enabling you to send and receive money between bank accounts in under 10 seconds.
(wero-wallet.eu)
@jwildeboer als in Spanien lebender: bizum ist so cool und praktisch und funktioniert. Von Person zu Person, aber auch bei Ikea etc. Ich hoffe wero und bizum finden zusammen… wahrscheinlich nicht…
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Wero - Digital payment wallet
Experience fast and secure digital payments with Wero’s wallet, enabling you to send and receive money between bank accounts in under 10 seconds.
(wero-wallet.eu)
@jwildeboer I have Wero, but didn't pay with yet. But the time will come.
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@jwildeboer @Larvitz Ich wollte vor gut einem Jahr komplett weg in Richtung GLS (Ich hab nun nicht geguckt wie es mit wero bei denen ausschaut), aber die haben mir nichtmal die nötigen Unterlagen zum Unterschreiben geschickt innerhalb von 3 Monaten. Da hatte ich erstmal genug von Wechselabsichten. Aber vielleicht sollte ich das nochmal angehen.
@maswaba @jwildeboer @Larvitz GLS macht Wero. Als ich da hin bin, ging das damals
recht einfach. Aber ich kann mich nicht mehr im Detail erinnern. -
If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Wero - Digital payment wallet
Experience fast and secure digital payments with Wero’s wallet, enabling you to send and receive money between bank accounts in under 10 seconds.
(wero-wallet.eu)
@jwildeboer #Wero is only available on the play store (which needs a google account), so no real sovereignty. Also, since last update the app crash on my phone at startup. So I cannot use the support in-app, nor do I want to send personal information though their useless chatbot on their website
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@jwildeboer #Wero is only available on the play store (which needs a google account), so no real sovereignty. Also, since last update the app crash on my phone at startup. So I cannot use the support in-app, nor do I want to send personal information though their useless chatbot on their website
@louisleblanc It's also available on the Apple App Store. And I never talked about sovereignty, I do talk about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly?
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@j_r @jwildeboer it's just a link to your internet banking, so if your bank has got a normal internet banking interface you can use that as well.
it just shows a big honking qr code by default because most people do their internet banking from their phone, but there's an equally button to pay from your browser@jwildeboer @sijmen at least "Sparkasse" seems to only support it via their app, not the online banking website
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@jwildeboer @sijmen at least "Sparkasse" seems to only support it via their app, not the online banking website
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Well, I had no idea wero existed, but I just found out it does, and that it is available through my bank... Thanks!
(Obligatory nitpicking: it's Visa MasterCard and Amex...)
@ParadeGrotesque @jwildeboer Wero is not Amex, MasterCard, Visa. At least according to their page. It is operated by European Payments Initiative. Also EPI seems to be a separate infrastructure. Or do I understand your post wrong?
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@ParadeGrotesque @jwildeboer Wero is not Amex, MasterCard, Visa. At least according to their page. It is operated by European Payments Initiative. Also EPI seems to be a separate infrastructure. Or do I understand your post wrong?
@prefec2 Yep. The nitpicking by @ParadeGrotesque is based on lack of basic research
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Wero - Digital payment wallet
Experience fast and secure digital payments with Wero’s wallet, enabling you to send and receive money between bank accounts in under 10 seconds.
(wero-wallet.eu)
@jwildeboer tbh wero is not that much better than paypal.
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@jwildeboer tbh wero is not that much better than paypal.
I only see it as a temporary solution until more privacy friendly solutions like gnu taler can be used with euro.@farshidhakimy Wero isn't US based. That's something, isn't it? And paying with cash is always the better alternative
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@jwildeboer WERO sounds really interesting.
Are you aware of anybody who's written it up for the technical layman? It sounds like a P2P protocol between banks, but I can't imagine there's no central control at all.
@mattb @jwildeboer it is basically a layer above sepa instant that uses mail/phone to find the iban.
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@mattb @jwildeboer it is basically a layer above sepa instant that uses mail/phone to find the iban.
@farshidhakimy … that uses a privacy preserving hash based on mail/phone to find … /pedantic @mattb
