"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
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@mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01
you're still going to consume fossil fuels no matter what
obviously if you get the civilian transportation and heating infrastructure off it you make a big dent. make it cheaper too
the goal isn't perfection mike, that's an invalid perspective
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@mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce
Most petro-state's primary benefit from having fossil fuels is the ability to export them. If the non petro-states transition to renewables (which provides both environmental and national security benefits to them) it cuts off the export markets the petro-states rely on and that will force the petro-states to adopt green technology in turn.
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"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce Maybe this is a sign to get off of fossil fuels.
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@benroyce Maybe this is a sign to get off of fossil fuels.
yes of course
fossil fuels fund vile regimes
and there's climate change
but even if we forget morality or good strategy: it's fucking cheaper
the problem is it requires investment
our stupid fucking governments would rather suckle at the teat of fossil fuel money and maintain the status quo, rather than prepare for the future that is coming no matter their indolent heel dragging and corruption
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"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce how unamerican of you
> Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Think instead of the Opportunity, to invest in infrastructure build out for electric cars, or to profit from introducing heat pumps and mini splits in hundreds year old buildings
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Can't decide if I'm sarcastic here or not, hm -
@benroyce how unamerican of you
> Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Think instead of the Opportunity, to invest in infrastructure build out for electric cars, or to profit from introducing heat pumps and mini splits in hundreds year old buildings
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.
Can't decide if I'm sarcastic here or not, hm -
"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce wtf?
With "allies" like that, who needs enemies?
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"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce Funny how the short term pain for long term gain guys currently gassing about the Usraeli war on Iran don't seem to think it applies to oil.
I wonder why that could be? -
Uruguay did what most nations still call impossible: it built a power grid that runs almost entirely on renewables—at half the cost of fossil fuels. The physicist who led that transformation says the same playbook could work anywhere—if governments have the courage to change the rules.
@roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce
It’s a nice piece. But Forbes avoids mentioning that the interviewee, “Energy Minister from 2008 to 2015”, was a member of a Broad Front government.
As China continues to show, strong socialist policies support converting to renewables. Meanwhile, free market economies support what the powerful industrialists prefer.
Want Greener policies? Get a more socialist government!
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@roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce
It’s a nice piece. But Forbes avoids mentioning that the interviewee, “Energy Minister from 2008 to 2015”, was a member of a Broad Front government.
As China continues to show, strong socialist policies support converting to renewables. Meanwhile, free market economies support what the powerful industrialists prefer.
Want Greener policies? Get a more socialist government!
@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
i wouldn't agree with china as a depiction of socialism. more like capitalist totalitarianism. a smart one, for now. but all authoritarianism goes one way in the end, one way or another
you do understand that china is capitalist, yes?
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yes of course
fossil fuels fund vile regimes
and there's climate change
but even if we forget morality or good strategy: it's fucking cheaper
the problem is it requires investment
our stupid fucking governments would rather suckle at the teat of fossil fuel money and maintain the status quo, rather than prepare for the future that is coming no matter their indolent heel dragging and corruption
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@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
i wouldn't agree with china as a depiction of socialism. more like capitalist totalitarianism. a smart one, for now. but all authoritarianism goes one way in the end, one way or another
you do understand that china is capitalist, yes?
@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
I understand.
I am very sympathetic to Xi. I lived in rural Western China for a year and I saw the effects of his policies on ordinary people. The reopening of the Shanghai stock exchange was by his predecessor. Xi has taken the revenue generated and poured it into public projects, aimed at lifting people out of poverty; cheaper energy, cheaper and more efficient public transport, government subsidies for opening mom & pop stores, fixed prices for food, and so on.
I often repeat the point that Xi knows what it’s like to go to school without shoes. I honestly believe that his support for the nation’s poorest people is heartfelt and genuine.
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@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
I understand.
I am very sympathetic to Xi. I lived in rural Western China for a year and I saw the effects of his policies on ordinary people. The reopening of the Shanghai stock exchange was by his predecessor. Xi has taken the revenue generated and poured it into public projects, aimed at lifting people out of poverty; cheaper energy, cheaper and more efficient public transport, government subsidies for opening mom & pop stores, fixed prices for food, and so on.
I often repeat the point that Xi knows what it’s like to go to school without shoes. I honestly believe that his support for the nation’s poorest people is heartfelt and genuine.
@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 One of my brighter students referred to China’s economy as “managed free market”. It’s a lovely tongue in cheek observation.
Further, I grew up in a capitalist UK economy that coexisted with a socialist welfare state. Aspects of Xi’s China have some similarities to mid 20th century UK Labour attempts at a halfway house. Fortunately, China doesn’t have a Tory Party dominating the national media, so the social projects should last longer.
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"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce We support democracy unless it makes gas expensive
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@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
I understand.
I am very sympathetic to Xi. I lived in rural Western China for a year and I saw the effects of his policies on ordinary people. The reopening of the Shanghai stock exchange was by his predecessor. Xi has taken the revenue generated and poured it into public projects, aimed at lifting people out of poverty; cheaper energy, cheaper and more efficient public transport, government subsidies for opening mom & pop stores, fixed prices for food, and so on.
I often repeat the point that Xi knows what it’s like to go to school without shoes. I honestly believe that his support for the nation’s poorest people is heartfelt and genuine.
@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
my friend
you can declare yourself a friend of the people
or you can declare yourself a friend of this:
China's Xi allowed to remain 'president for life' as term limits removed
China's Xi Jinping could stay in power indefinitely after parliament backs constitutional changes.
(www.bbc.com)
you can't do both
you're not an idiot. you know where that leads
and yes, the average citizen of china has put aside freedoms and rights because economic growth is a rocket ship
you do to?
and might i remind you, it's all due to capitalism
i don't champion capitalism. but it means you referring to socialism here is a puzzle
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@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 One of my brighter students referred to China’s economy as “managed free market”. It’s a lovely tongue in cheek observation.
Further, I grew up in a capitalist UK economy that coexisted with a socialist welfare state. Aspects of Xi’s China have some similarities to mid 20th century UK Labour attempts at a halfway house. Fortunately, China doesn’t have a Tory Party dominating the national media, so the social projects should last longer.
@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
ah
so you believe, under an autocratic system as in china, as opposed to a democratic system as in the uk, that there is a better chance for plutocratic forces to fade and socialist forces to dominate
that's a very interesting belief my friend, to put it as mildly as possible
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@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
ah
so you believe, under an autocratic system as in china, as opposed to a democratic system as in the uk, that there is a better chance for plutocratic forces to fade and socialist forces to dominate
that's a very interesting belief my friend, to put it as mildly as possible
@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
I think it would be fair to say that we would agree that the Republican Party, or the UK Conservative Party, and the Murdoch press are working counter to the interests of the working people.
Capitalism exists everywhere. Social projects are the only way that socialist governments can operate *within* a capitalist economy, like the Uruguayan example. Xi’s domestic policies are socialist in much the same way.
Do I think Xi should be President for life? No.
Do I think he deserves credit for lifting millions of people out of poverty and for increasing commitment to renewable energy? Yes.I think I’d even praise DJT if he did these things. But we both know it’s a safe bet that he never would.
Do I trust the Chinese system to keep the working class safe under any leader? No (See the Cultural Revolution).
Do I trust capitalist parliamentarianism? Also no.I am, I hope, not entirely a fool.
I know we have differences of opinion. We also share many of the same hopes.
I think it’s important to celebrate gains that are made towards those goals, even in systems we cannot wholeheartedly support.
Do I trust Xi entirely? No.
Do I think he has done more good for the people of the world than DJT, Netanyahu, MBS, or Putin? Yes. -
@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
I think it would be fair to say that we would agree that the Republican Party, or the UK Conservative Party, and the Murdoch press are working counter to the interests of the working people.
Capitalism exists everywhere. Social projects are the only way that socialist governments can operate *within* a capitalist economy, like the Uruguayan example. Xi’s domestic policies are socialist in much the same way.
Do I think Xi should be President for life? No.
Do I think he deserves credit for lifting millions of people out of poverty and for increasing commitment to renewable energy? Yes.I think I’d even praise DJT if he did these things. But we both know it’s a safe bet that he never would.
Do I trust the Chinese system to keep the working class safe under any leader? No (See the Cultural Revolution).
Do I trust capitalist parliamentarianism? Also no.I am, I hope, not entirely a fool.
I know we have differences of opinion. We also share many of the same hopes.
I think it’s important to celebrate gains that are made towards those goals, even in systems we cannot wholeheartedly support.
Do I trust Xi entirely? No.
Do I think he has done more good for the people of the world than DJT, Netanyahu, MBS, or Putin? Yes.@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
nothing good comes out of authoritarianism
the democratic world is rotting under the forces of plutocracy, and will wind up as authoritarian if we don't get a handle on it
which is where china already is
china's success is due to capitalism, not socialism. and as a rights-trampling autocracy its plutocrat fate is already written
the solution, as you said
uruguay
democracy
strong social-democratic tradition
robust welfare state
champion uruguay
not china
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@Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01
nothing good comes out of authoritarianism
the democratic world is rotting under the forces of plutocracy, and will wind up as authoritarian if we don't get a handle on it
which is where china already is
china's success is due to capitalism, not socialism. and as a rights-trampling autocracy its plutocrat fate is already written
the solution, as you said
uruguay
democracy
strong social-democratic tradition
robust welfare state
champion uruguay
not china
@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 There are as many problems with democracy, as far as I can see.
No British Prime Minister has supported broad socialist policies since Wilson.
Democracies have been responsible for far more wars of aggression in my lifetime than autocracies.
European democracies are tending toward fascism, on a sliding scale from Orban to Macron deliberately obstructing the public choice of a socialist prime minister.
If we compare Xi with Obama, one of these leaders was engaged in overseas wars of aggression, in which he oversaw the use of drone warfare, with resultant civilian casualties. One of these leaders has also raised millions of his citizens out of abject poverty.
Democracy as an ideal is better than authoritarianism as an ideal. However, a number of fascist dictators have been installed by the democratic process, including Hitler. I live in a democracy that has had single-party rule for all but two short periods in its postwar history.
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@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 There are as many problems with democracy, as far as I can see.
No British Prime Minister has supported broad socialist policies since Wilson.
Democracies have been responsible for far more wars of aggression in my lifetime than autocracies.
European democracies are tending toward fascism, on a sliding scale from Orban to Macron deliberately obstructing the public choice of a socialist prime minister.
If we compare Xi with Obama, one of these leaders was engaged in overseas wars of aggression, in which he oversaw the use of drone warfare, with resultant civilian casualties. One of these leaders has also raised millions of his citizens out of abject poverty.
Democracy as an ideal is better than authoritarianism as an ideal. However, a number of fascist dictators have been installed by the democratic process, including Hitler. I live in a democracy that has had single-party rule for all but two short periods in its postwar history.
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@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
The problem with the PRC is succession. Who comes next? And how is that decided? The history of the PRC shows that it is a dangerous and unreliable process. Looking at the history of the G7 over the same period suggests that democracy, as it exists, is also a dangerous and unreliable process.
There are a lot of things that need to be changed in democracy in order to make it more representative, less influenced by big money, and so on. I know that’s something you passionately believe in: involvement in the decision making process by voting at every level. And you are correct.
Even so, if you judge world leaders by a few simple criteria (No wars of aggression; commitment to social projects; commitment to conversion to renewables), some key democracies haven’t produced a leader with the positive qualities of Xi. That is all I am saying. Not that the man, or his system is flawless; but that the leaders of the “free world” are, frequently, less capable of helping the people of their own country and other countries.
Xi is an autocrat. Agreed.
China is a one-party state. Agreed.
Yet, it has brought more into the lives of its citizens, and those of other countries, than most of the postwar leaders of democracies.Surely, that raises questions about the kind of democracy we have.
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