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  • roblosricos@mastodon.socialR roblosricos@mastodon.social

    @Npars01 @benroyce

    Uruguay did what most nations still call impossible: it built a power grid that runs almost entirely on renewables—at half the cost of fossil fuels. The physicist who led that transformation says the same playbook could work anywhere—if governments have the courage to change the rules.

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    @roblosricos @benroyce

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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    Democracy continues to ignore how far the fossil fuel industry is willing to go to keep its customers trapped.

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    The world continues to fight wars over oil. Is the conflict in Iran that beginning of a shift away from from fossil fuels?

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    Greenpeace: Middle East Tensions Aren’t the Culprit to Korea’s Economic Crisis—Fossil Fuel Dependency Is - Greenpeace East Asia

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01

      the cost of the climate crisis and vile regimes matter too

      you fund russia, russia kills people, you have a couple of EF5s in nebraska, you kill people

      of course, the "decision makers" don't know or don't care, but that remains the truth

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        @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01

        you're still going to consume fossil fuels no matter what

        obviously if you get the civilian transportation and heating infrastructure off it you make a big dent. make it cheaper too

        the goal isn't perfection mike, that's an invalid perspective

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          @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

          Most petro-state's primary benefit from having fossil fuels is the ability to export them. If the non petro-states transition to renewables (which provides both environmental and national security benefits to them) it cuts off the export markets the petro-states rely on and that will force the petro-states to adopt green technology in turn.

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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            Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy

            Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.

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            Yeah, fuck that

            Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

            Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

            Fuck you India, Fuck you China

            Fuck you all

            All countries:

            Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

            Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

            #Zelensky:

            Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

            #UkraineWar

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            @benroyce Maybe this is a sign to get off of fossil fuels.

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            • sibshops@mastodon.onlineS sibshops@mastodon.online

              @benroyce Maybe this is a sign to get off of fossil fuels.

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              @Sibshops

              yes of course

              fossil fuels fund vile regimes

              and there's climate change

              but even if we forget morality or good strategy: it's fucking cheaper

              the problem is it requires investment

              our stupid fucking governments would rather suckle at the teat of fossil fuel money and maintain the status quo, rather than prepare for the future that is coming no matter their indolent heel dragging and corruption

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                Yeah, fuck that

                Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                Fuck you all

                All countries:

                Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                #Zelensky:

                Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                #UkraineWar

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                @benroyce how unamerican of you

                > Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                Think instead of the Opportunity, to invest in infrastructure build out for electric cars, or to profit from introducing heat pumps and mini splits in hundreds year old buildings

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                Can't decide if I'm sarcastic here or not, hm

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                • drangnon@hachyderm.ioD drangnon@hachyderm.io

                  @benroyce how unamerican of you

                  > Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                  Think instead of the Opportunity, to invest in infrastructure build out for electric cars, or to profit from introducing heat pumps and mini splits in hundreds year old buildings

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                  Can't decide if I'm sarcastic here or not, hm

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                  @draNgNon 😂

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                    Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.

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                    Yeah, fuck that

                    Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                    Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                    Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                    Fuck you all

                    All countries:

                    Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                    Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                    #Zelensky:

                    Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                    #UkraineWar

                    axomamma@mastodon.onlineA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @benroyce wtf?

                    With "allies" like that, who needs enemies?

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                      Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.

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                      Yeah, fuck that

                      Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                      Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                      Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                      Fuck you all

                      All countries:

                      Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                      Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                      #Zelensky:

                      Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                      #UkraineWar

                      rupert@mastodon.nzR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @benroyce Funny how the short term pain for long term gain guys currently gassing about the Usraeli war on Iran don't seem to think it applies to oil.
                      I wonder why that could be?

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                      • roblosricos@mastodon.socialR roblosricos@mastodon.social

                        @Npars01 @benroyce

                        Uruguay did what most nations still call impossible: it built a power grid that runs almost entirely on renewables—at half the cost of fossil fuels. The physicist who led that transformation says the same playbook could work anywhere—if governments have the courage to change the rules.

                        forbes.com

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                        @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

                        It’s a nice piece. But Forbes avoids mentioning that the interviewee, “Energy Minister from 2008 to 2015”, was a member of a Broad Front government.

                        As China continues to show, strong socialist policies support converting to renewables. Meanwhile, free market economies support what the powerful industrialists prefer.

                        Want Greener policies? Get a more socialist government!

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                        • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

                          @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

                          It’s a nice piece. But Forbes avoids mentioning that the interviewee, “Energy Minister from 2008 to 2015”, was a member of a Broad Front government.

                          As China continues to show, strong socialist policies support converting to renewables. Meanwhile, free market economies support what the powerful industrialists prefer.

                          Want Greener policies? Get a more socialist government!

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                          @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                          i wouldn't agree with china as a depiction of socialism. more like capitalist totalitarianism. a smart one, for now. but all authoritarianism goes one way in the end, one way or another

                          you do understand that china is capitalist, yes?

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @Sibshops

                            yes of course

                            fossil fuels fund vile regimes

                            and there's climate change

                            but even if we forget morality or good strategy: it's fucking cheaper

                            the problem is it requires investment

                            our stupid fucking governments would rather suckle at the teat of fossil fuel money and maintain the status quo, rather than prepare for the future that is coming no matter their indolent heel dragging and corruption

                            donchacale@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @benroyce @Sibshops
                            they're building bunkers and stockpiling food and water and fuel and arms

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                              i wouldn't agree with china as a depiction of socialism. more like capitalist totalitarianism. a smart one, for now. but all authoritarianism goes one way in the end, one way or another

                              you do understand that china is capitalist, yes?

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                              @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

                              I understand.

                              I am very sympathetic to Xi. I lived in rural Western China for a year and I saw the effects of his policies on ordinary people. The reopening of the Shanghai stock exchange was by his predecessor. Xi has taken the revenue generated and poured it into public projects, aimed at lifting people out of poverty; cheaper energy, cheaper and more efficient public transport, government subsidies for opening mom & pop stores, fixed prices for food, and so on.

                              I often repeat the point that Xi knows what it’s like to go to school without shoes. I honestly believe that his support for the nation’s poorest people is heartfelt and genuine.

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                              • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

                                @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

                                I understand.

                                I am very sympathetic to Xi. I lived in rural Western China for a year and I saw the effects of his policies on ordinary people. The reopening of the Shanghai stock exchange was by his predecessor. Xi has taken the revenue generated and poured it into public projects, aimed at lifting people out of poverty; cheaper energy, cheaper and more efficient public transport, government subsidies for opening mom & pop stores, fixed prices for food, and so on.

                                I often repeat the point that Xi knows what it’s like to go to school without shoes. I honestly believe that his support for the nation’s poorest people is heartfelt and genuine.

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                                @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 One of my brighter students referred to China’s economy as “managed free market”. It’s a lovely tongue in cheek observation.

                                Further, I grew up in a capitalist UK economy that coexisted with a socialist welfare state. Aspects of Xi’s China have some similarities to mid 20th century UK Labour attempts at a halfway house. Fortunately, China doesn’t have a Tory Party dominating the national media, so the social projects should last longer.

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                                  Yeah, fuck that

                                  Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                                  Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                                  Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                                  Fuck you all

                                  All countries:

                                  Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                                  Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                                  #Zelensky:

                                  Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                                  #UkraineWar

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                                  @benroyce We support democracy unless it makes gas expensive

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                                  • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

                                    I understand.

                                    I am very sympathetic to Xi. I lived in rural Western China for a year and I saw the effects of his policies on ordinary people. The reopening of the Shanghai stock exchange was by his predecessor. Xi has taken the revenue generated and poured it into public projects, aimed at lifting people out of poverty; cheaper energy, cheaper and more efficient public transport, government subsidies for opening mom & pop stores, fixed prices for food, and so on.

                                    I often repeat the point that Xi knows what it’s like to go to school without shoes. I honestly believe that his support for the nation’s poorest people is heartfelt and genuine.

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                                    @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                                    my friend

                                    you can declare yourself a friend of the people

                                    or you can declare yourself a friend of this:

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                                    you can't do both

                                    you're not an idiot. you know where that leads

                                    and yes, the average citizen of china has put aside freedoms and rights because economic growth is a rocket ship

                                    you do to?

                                    and might i remind you, it's all due to capitalism

                                    i don't champion capitalism. but it means you referring to socialism here is a puzzle

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                                    • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

                                      @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 One of my brighter students referred to China’s economy as “managed free market”. It’s a lovely tongue in cheek observation.

                                      Further, I grew up in a capitalist UK economy that coexisted with a socialist welfare state. Aspects of Xi’s China have some similarities to mid 20th century UK Labour attempts at a halfway house. Fortunately, China doesn’t have a Tory Party dominating the national media, so the social projects should last longer.

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                                      @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                                      ah

                                      so you believe, under an autocratic system as in china, as opposed to a democratic system as in the uk, that there is a better chance for plutocratic forces to fade and socialist forces to dominate

                                      that's a very interesting belief my friend, to put it as mildly as possible

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                                        ah

                                        so you believe, under an autocratic system as in china, as opposed to a democratic system as in the uk, that there is a better chance for plutocratic forces to fade and socialist forces to dominate

                                        that's a very interesting belief my friend, to put it as mildly as possible

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                                        @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

                                        I think it would be fair to say that we would agree that the Republican Party, or the UK Conservative Party, and the Murdoch press are working counter to the interests of the working people.

                                        Capitalism exists everywhere. Social projects are the only way that socialist governments can operate *within* a capitalist economy, like the Uruguayan example. Xi’s domestic policies are socialist in much the same way.

                                        Do I think Xi should be President for life? No.
                                        Do I think he deserves credit for lifting millions of people out of poverty and for increasing commitment to renewable energy? Yes.

                                        I think I’d even praise DJT if he did these things. But we both know it’s a safe bet that he never would.

                                        Do I trust the Chinese system to keep the working class safe under any leader? No (See the Cultural Revolution).
                                        Do I trust capitalist parliamentarianism? Also no.

                                        I am, I hope, not entirely a fool. 🙂

                                        I know we have differences of opinion. We also share many of the same hopes.

                                        I think it’s important to celebrate gains that are made towards those goals, even in systems we cannot wholeheartedly support.

                                        Do I trust Xi entirely? No.
                                        Do I think he has done more good for the people of the world than DJT, Netanyahu, MBS, or Putin? Yes.

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                                        • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

                                          I think it would be fair to say that we would agree that the Republican Party, or the UK Conservative Party, and the Murdoch press are working counter to the interests of the working people.

                                          Capitalism exists everywhere. Social projects are the only way that socialist governments can operate *within* a capitalist economy, like the Uruguayan example. Xi’s domestic policies are socialist in much the same way.

                                          Do I think Xi should be President for life? No.
                                          Do I think he deserves credit for lifting millions of people out of poverty and for increasing commitment to renewable energy? Yes.

                                          I think I’d even praise DJT if he did these things. But we both know it’s a safe bet that he never would.

                                          Do I trust the Chinese system to keep the working class safe under any leader? No (See the Cultural Revolution).
                                          Do I trust capitalist parliamentarianism? Also no.

                                          I am, I hope, not entirely a fool. 🙂

                                          I know we have differences of opinion. We also share many of the same hopes.

                                          I think it’s important to celebrate gains that are made towards those goals, even in systems we cannot wholeheartedly support.

                                          Do I trust Xi entirely? No.
                                          Do I think he has done more good for the people of the world than DJT, Netanyahu, MBS, or Putin? Yes.

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                                          @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                                          nothing good comes out of authoritarianism

                                          the democratic world is rotting under the forces of plutocracy, and will wind up as authoritarian if we don't get a handle on it

                                          which is where china already is

                                          china's success is due to capitalism, not socialism. and as a rights-trampling autocracy its plutocrat fate is already written

                                          the solution, as you said

                                          uruguay

                                          democracy

                                          strong social-democratic tradition

                                          robust welfare state

                                          champion uruguay

                                          not china

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