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Didn't Windows 95 do this too?!?

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    RE: https://techhub.social/@rayckeith/116370449957346533

    Didn't Windows 95 do this too?!?

    For fuck's sake, Apple, get your shit together and stop reinventing 30 year old 32 bit Windows bugs!

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    @cstross
    Can we crash macOS by creating a folder called "con" inside another folder called "con" as well?

    *Windows 95 peels off mask* "And I would have got away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling security researchers!"

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    • oclsc@mstdn.caO oclsc@mstdn.ca

      @oddhack @cstross I was happy to leave VMS behind when I left California. I wish I could do the same with Linux and return to something that really feels like Unix, but that doesn't exist any more.

      Need to find time to assemble, at long last, my PiDP-11 and run 7/e on it.

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      @oclsc @cstross Free/OpenBSD do not count?

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        RE: https://techhub.social/@rayckeith/116370449957346533

        Didn't Windows 95 do this too?!?

        For fuck's sake, Apple, get your shit together and stop reinventing 30 year old 32 bit Windows bugs!

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        @cstross I've had multiple uptime durations in excess of 90 days on my current Mac mini....

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          RE: https://techhub.social/@rayckeith/116370449957346533

          Didn't Windows 95 do this too?!?

          For fuck's sake, Apple, get your shit together and stop reinventing 30 year old 32 bit Windows bugs!

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          @cstross Ok, I went and read it and I’m still tentatively gonna call bullshit on that dev.

          My primary laptop is currently running at over 4 months of uptime, I have over a dozen client (I’m in IT) machines with 5-9 months of uptime.

          My work laptop doesn’t sleep/hibernate as it’s tethered to a screen so that’s a continuous 127 days.

          I have an iMac Pro sitting next to me on the floor that’s been running for 245 days straight.

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          • wraithe@mastodon.socialW wraithe@mastodon.social

            @cstross Ok, I went and read it and I’m still tentatively gonna call bullshit on that dev.

            My primary laptop is currently running at over 4 months of uptime, I have over a dozen client (I’m in IT) machines with 5-9 months of uptime.

            My work laptop doesn’t sleep/hibernate as it’s tethered to a screen so that’s a continuous 127 days.

            I have an iMac Pro sitting next to me on the floor that’s been running for 245 days straight.

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            @cstross And before anyone asks*, the client machines are wide spread of OS versions (because I’m kinda behind on bringing everything forward & I don’t quite trust macOS 26 fully yet 😁)

            *no one was going to ask. 😁

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            • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

              @cstross This is definitely not every Mac. We have a number of Macs running as servers with way more uptime than that. Plus I'd definitely have noticed if our FileMaker server that I manage was dying every month and half. Also the media server in my basement has way more uptime than that.

              Edit: Seeing reports it may be Tahoe only.

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              @Chigaze @cstross Yeah, Michael Tsai is indicating it may be legit but Tahoe (26) only, although he’s not confirming fully either.
              In which case, it’ll get patched next update or two.
              (h/t to @ednl in the post thread)

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              • oddhack@mstdn.socialO oddhack@mstdn.social

                @oclsc @cstross Free/OpenBSD do not count?

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                @oddhack @cstross Both have cat -v and worse.

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                  @JdeBP @oclsc @cstross for more context see Norman's paper here: https://vtda.org/pubs/AUUGN/AUUGN-V04.2.pdf

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                    @JdeBP @oddhack @oclsc @cstross

                    I attended a mid-80s Unix conference (Toronto) where Rob Pike complained that “cat went off to Berkeley and came back waving flags”. I think his talk was an early exploration of what would become known as “the Unix philosophy”

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                      @JdeBP @oddhack @cstross From 1984-1990 I worked in the Bell Labs Computing Science Research Group, the folks from whom Unix originally came. At the time we still ran our own Unix; colloquially we called it Research Unix for cultural reasons.

                      Our cat had no options at all; it just read as much as it could in each go and wrote the same amount, so -u was no longer needed. That's the way cat should be.

                      That the completely different group responsible for the commercial System V product, in a completely different part of the company in a facility four miles from Murray Hill accepted that abomination was irrelevant to us.

                      Research Unix wound down not long after I left, though there is no direct connection between those events.

                      My standards are unreasonably high, yes. We were an arrogant bunch, yes. But philosophically we were right.

                      The even-greater iconoclasm visible in Plan 9 comes from the same place.

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