The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
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@dansup But isn't Meta (Threads) also part of ActivityPub/Fediverse?
@df Yes, but they don't have full federation support and also, they aren't open source, and lets not forget they are an ad company.
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The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
I'm not that interested in a bridge to the ICE account on Bsky, and I don't care if we should see them as competition or not - I just hate ICE and everyone that facilitates them.
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The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
@dansup @anewsocial if we could bridge Instagram and pixelfed, I'd be stoked. Yes, I know, that could let the evil in. But my real life friends and community are there. I do believe that if we could connect the walled gardens, or break down the walls, we'd fix a lot of what's broken. I know that's utopian thinking.
Reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrard_Winstanley
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I'm not that interested in a bridge to the ICE account on Bsky, and I don't care if we should see them as competition or not - I just hate ICE and everyone that facilitates them.
@Grutjes @anewsocial TruthSocial, aka Trumps social network is literally mastodon.
But thanks to Mastodon, you can limit which servers you block.
Isn't that something?
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@df Yes, but they don't have full federation support and also, they aren't open source, and lets not forget they are an ad company.
@dansup No doubt, but Meta’s move toward ActivityPub still seems like a positive step (though we shouldn’t forget all the harm Meta represents). Ideally, in my view, all social networks should use ActivityPub, just as all email uses the SMTP protocol.
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R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
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I'm not that interested in a bridge to the ICE account on Bsky, and I don't care if we should see them as competition or not - I just hate ICE and everyone that facilitates them.
@Grutjes @dansup @anewsocial
I agree not avoiding bluesky.What I enjoy the most about mastodon is my ability to say 'no.'
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The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
@dansup@mastodon.social @anewsocial@mastodon.social maybe leave nostr out
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@dansup@mastodon.social @anewsocial@mastodon.social maybe leave nostr out
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@jdbar @LiquidParasyte @anewsocial @dansup Because it's a tech made by and for cryptobros.
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@dansup No doubt, but Meta’s move toward ActivityPub still seems like a positive step (though we shouldn’t forget all the harm Meta represents). Ideally, in my view, all social networks should use ActivityPub, just as all email uses the SMTP protocol.
@df @dansup i hope i'm wrong, but i only see meta's move towards federation as a form of embrace, extended, extinguish.
they won't control fedi, but they might be able to have enough control that self-hosting isn't worth it.
similar to how google and microsoft control the mail ecosystem. anyone who's ever hosted their own mail server knows how much of a pain in the ass it is dealing with blacklists and being marked as spam even when you do everything right.
i will never not see meta as hostile. -
The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
I saw this post on nostr through the mostr bridge but had to dust off an old mastodon account to be able to reply to it.
I agree bridges are the way to go but damn is it hard to build a working one.
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@jdbar @LiquidParasyte @anewsocial @dansup Because it's a tech made by and for cryptobros.
@p4bl0 @LiquidParasyte @anewsocial @dansup
Does it make it a bad tech?
It seems to me that crypto design and features (like key pairs) bring a lot of upsides for open networks.
By the way, the public there is much more diverse than cryptobros who occupy the surface. -
@Grutjes @anewsocial TruthSocial, aka Trumps social network is literally mastodon.
But thanks to Mastodon, you can limit which servers you block.
Isn't that something?
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The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
@dansup @anewsocial have to disagree on Bluesky - ATProto is open only on paper. In reality, the network is way too centralized on servers under the control of a company with VC funding. They will eventually demand a return on their investment, a process which always leads to enshittification.
The only networks we should be trusting are those which are community funded and operated.
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The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
@dansup
If you consider that the battle is between centralized networks and decentralized networks, then know this....#Bluesky remains centralized, despite its claims that it will be decentralized some time in the future (a promise they have yet to fulfill). Because of this, Bluesky is a competitor of the #ActivityPub protocol (used by #Mastodon), which is decentralized.
Bluesky was begun within the Twitter Corporation, so will they actually ever become decentralized?
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The fediverse, ATProto/Bluesky and Nostr are not competitors.
The real competitors (Meta, X, YouTube) probably love to see such division in us.
Let's remember who we're really up against, and stop trying to compete with other open platforms and protocols.
Use that energy to convince people to leave the real competitors and join us.
Thanks to @anewsocial, we have a universal bridge to the future of a open social web.
A bridge to the future
@dansup @anewsocial a little comment: ActivityPub and Nostr are truly free and empowering, but separated by politics. ATProto is free on paper, but realistically is centralised.
I wish ActivityPub and Nostr would just work on the tech and collaborate more. ActivityPub Nomadic Identities are just Nostr with extra-steps. Let’s work together!
