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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

    nini@oldbytes.spaceN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #7

    @anttipeltola I'm guessing in the intervening 30 years the MBA set came in and stripped all that "thinking" nonsense because it wasn't profitable and you could outsource it for cheap. It's not only learned helplessness, it's decimating institutional knowledge because some beancounters thought it cost too much to maintain it, happens frequently with many social pillars that are hollowed out by capitalists.

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    • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      kongakong@masto.aiK This user is from outside of this forum
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      kongakong@masto.ai
      wrote last edited by
      #8

      @anttipeltola

      Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

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      • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

        Finnish universities 1996:

        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

        Finnish universities 2026:

        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

        Learned helplessness.

        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

        backfromthedud@mas.toB This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #9

        @anttipeltola sounds like complacency and laziness to me, but I am lazy and complacent.

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        • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

          Finnish universities 1996:

          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

          Finnish universities 2026:

          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

          Learned helplessness.

          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

          geliga@mastodon.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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          geliga@mastodon.world
          wrote last edited by
          #10

          @anttipeltola come on Europe, I believe you can do that.

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          • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #11

            @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

            The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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            • funambolo@mastodon.worldF funambolo@mastodon.world

              @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

              humanhorseshoes@mastodon.worldH This user is from outside of this forum
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              #12

              @funambolo @anttipeltola in many cases totally illegally and in ignorance of EU privacy laws

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              • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                Finnish universities 1996:

                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                Finnish universities 2026:

                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                Learned helplessness.

                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                openfactory@peering.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                openfactory@peering.social
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                #13

                @anttipeltola not just Finland. I'd say most of europe?

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                • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                  Finnish universities 1996:

                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                  Finnish universities 2026:

                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                  Learned helplessness.

                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                  gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  gimulnautti@mastodon.green
                  wrote last edited by
                  #14

                  @anttipeltola Learned helplessness = The boring end of authoritarianism. Submission.

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                  • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                    Finnish universities 1996:

                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                    Finnish universities 2026:

                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                    Learned helplessness.

                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                    jeffalyanak@social.rights.ninjaJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #15

                    @anttipeltola

                    Unfortunately, this isn't really a technical problem, it's a policy problem.

                    Organizations certainly have the technical capabilities to replace these tools, but the network effect is hard to break unless you're compelled to do so.

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                    • kongakong@masto.aiK kongakong@masto.ai

                      @anttipeltola

                      Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

                      kryten@veganism.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      @kongakong @anttipeltola The point is that institutions don't need a facebook replacement to be built. Personally I don't see why a simple website isn't enough, but people seem to be less and less able to even create those.

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                      • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                        Finnish universities 1996:

                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                        Finnish universities 2026:

                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                        Learned helplessness.

                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                        unicandun@retro.pizzaU This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #17

                        @anttipeltola It makes me so sad to see this is true elsewhere... I truly thought it was a local problem for us 😞

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                        • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                          Finnish universities 1996:

                          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                          Finnish universities 2026:

                          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                          Learned helplessness.

                          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                          #18

                          @anttipeltola There are lots of organizations and businesses that have a website, but refuse to use it:

                          > For opening hours, please see our instagram

                          You're lucky to find the address on the web. Anything remotely useful will be locked on a platform where you can't even read it without making an account.

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                          • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                            Finnish universities 1996:

                            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                            Finnish universities 2026:

                            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                            Learned helplessness.

                            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                            fknhannu@zeroes.caF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #19

                            @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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                            • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                              Finnish universities 1996:

                              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                              Finnish universities 2026:

                              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                              Learned helplessness.

                              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                              contaminase@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #20

                              @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

                              Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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                              • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                Finnish universities 1996:

                                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                Finnish universities 2026:

                                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                Learned helplessness.

                                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                tuban_muzuru@beige.party
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                                #21

                                @anttipeltola

                                Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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                                • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                  Finnish universities 1996:

                                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                  Finnish universities 2026:

                                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                  Learned helplessness.

                                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                  foolishowl@social.coopF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #22

                                  @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

                                  This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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                                  • tuban_muzuru@beige.partyT tuban_muzuru@beige.party

                                    @anttipeltola

                                    Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

                                    iju@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #23

                                    @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

                                    Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

                                    By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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                                    • fknhannu@zeroes.caF fknhannu@zeroes.ca

                                      @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

                                      anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @FknHannu

                                      Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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                                        #25

                                        @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                                        Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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                                        • openfactory@peering.socialO openfactory@peering.social

                                          @anttipeltola not just Finland. I'd say most of europe?

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                                          #26

                                          @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                          (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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