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Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can.

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  • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

    @jwildeboer At the tail end of the last U.S. presidential election, I got desperate emails from the Harris campaign about how they were being outspent in "swing states". Some billionaires who wanted Trump in put up a large chunk of change for those last couple of weeks, and that was used to run lots of attack ads against Harris.

    That behavior is a risk factor for Europe as well. We tried to fix it, but a U.S. Supreme Court decision declared the campaign-finance law unconstitutional.
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    @jwildeboer We have laws about reporting non-trivial campaign contributions, but it takes time for those reports to be processed, so with a large infusion of cash in the last two weeks or so, nobody really knew where it was coming from. Because most states are "winner takes all" for electoral college votes, that cash was used to target those states where the vote could go either way.

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      @jwildeboer ...and they did it _again_ !! It was #Hungary who in 1989 opened their consulate doors to East Germans wanting to flee the regime, and the Hungarian consulate/embassy let them enter and cross into the west... that underpinned the "tear down that wall" momentum πŸ‘βœŠ #PanEuropean #ironCurtain #freeEurope

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      @Irisherself πŸ‘†πŸ‘‡πŸ€ž
      https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/116393730049244006

      @jwildeboer

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      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

        Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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        @jwildeboer
        After his effects on the late Pope and now Orban's, re-election, may I suggest that Trump send Vance on a diplomatic mission to Russia's Putin?

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        • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

          Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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          @jwildeboer I am in the centre of Budapest at 1am - cars with horns blaring, streets packed with very happy (some pretty drunk) people, lot of cheering and flag waving. Not see this since Athens in the early 80s when the left finally won power.

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          • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

            Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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            @jwildeboer

            reuters.com

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            Any entity funded by the fossil fuel industry and its massive system of international public corruption needs to acknowledge the fate that awaits.

            https://www.desmog.com/2025/01/21/mapped-donald-trump-transatlantic-anti-green-network/

            People tire of the high prices & fossil fuel funded fascism.
            https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

            People want cheaper renewable energy, wind & solar.
            https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-plummeting-cost-of-renewable-energy/

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            People want to ditch waste like data centers.

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            • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

              Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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              @jwildeboer

              Unfortunately, we are ruled by billionaire owned media that will spin reality to align with their owners

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              • dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD dianea@lgbtqia.space

                @jwildeboer

                Unfortunately, we are ruled by billionaire owned media that will spin reality to align with their owners

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                @dianea It seems they have failed tonight in Hungary. Before that they failed in Poland. Maybe they are not that powerful and their influence is cracking? I am always the optimist.

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                • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                  @jwildeboer We have laws about reporting non-trivial campaign contributions, but it takes time for those reports to be processed, so with a large infusion of cash in the last two weeks or so, nobody really knew where it was coming from. Because most states are "winner takes all" for electoral college votes, that cash was used to target those states where the vote could go either way.

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                  @bzdev Were I the facetious type, I might say something along the lines of "I guess the people who paid for Citizens United to go their way will have felt they got their money's worth then?"

                  @jwildeboer

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                  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                    Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                    @jwildeboer With a margin this big, I imagine OrbΓ‘n and his handlers saw no real scope to contest the results?

                    I am already quietly beginning to fear the ways in which state actors will ramp up their attempts to sabotage things in the EU; a defeat this resounding will have set off very loud alarm bells all the way through Beijing, Moscow and Washington*.

                    *: To think that we have to now include Washington (& the CIA) in said company is in itself *extremely* concerning, but here we are.

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                    • irisherself@mastodon.socialI irisherself@mastodon.social

                      @jwildeboer ...and they did it _again_ !! It was #Hungary who in 1989 opened their consulate doors to East Germans wanting to flee the regime, and the Hungarian consulate/embassy let them enter and cross into the west... that underpinned the "tear down that wall" momentum πŸ‘βœŠ #PanEuropean #ironCurtain #freeEurope

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                      @Irisherself I remember watching the news at the time, seeing entire families with kids climbing the consulate fences and walls and then walking out on foot across country to reach the west... we were all holding our breaths hoping no one shoots... and it worked and reunited what should never have been separated in the first place ✌️✊
                      @jwildeboer

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                      • heliograph@mastodon.auH heliograph@mastodon.au

                        @Irisherself I remember watching the news at the time, seeing entire families with kids climbing the consulate fences and walls and then walking out on foot across country to reach the west... we were all holding our breaths hoping no one shoots... and it worked and reunited what should never have been separated in the first place ✌️✊
                        @jwildeboer

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                        @Heliograph ... and all that without shots fired, without bloodbath or dead people πŸ•ŠοΈ @jwildeboer

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