Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
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@dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"
@davidr robots.txt would make no difference. He's not scraping your posts from your instance. He's scraping the ones that federated to his/his-user's instance via the feed there.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
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@dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.
@adingbatponder This person (seldo) made a web-based social media client that logs into your Mastodon/Bsky/etc. accounts, grabs everything in your feed, and sends it off to an "AI" service for them to turn into a "summary" so you can "catch up on what people are posting" without actually reading it.
When challenged about lack of consent to have our writing turned over to "AI" companies for them to process and keep and incorporate into their models, his response was very hostile and suggested blocking him so he can't see our posts. That only solves the problem for his use of his client, not the problem of other people potentially using it.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
@dalias I just instance blocked their server (the perks of selfhosting!) but that doesn't help if anyone _else_ uses this shit.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
@IceWolf Of course anyone who can read them *can* do that. That's always possible. Just like, despite the movie industry pretending all the hellish DRM they impose makes it impossible, anyone can record movies off Netflix just by pointing a camera at their screen. It's impossible to keep someone from copying and sharing copies of something they can see.
This doesn't mean it's socially acceptable or legal. What the AI companies are doing and what the people like seldo feeding our data to them are doing is absolutely illegal, unethical, and a deep violation of privacy and consent. And they need to experience consequences for it.
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias He said in a comment in that thread that people would have to block every user of the tool he created, not just him personally. Blocking him may be justified, but it’s not sufficient to prevent toots from being scraped (?) by that tool.
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@dalias oh hey it's that union buster
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@dalias He said in a comment in that thread that people would have to block every user of the tool he created, not just him personally. Blocking him may be justified, but it’s not sufficient to prevent toots from being scraped (?) by that tool.
@JensJot Yep. But the tool itself might get scrapped if he finds himself unable to use it or just gets driven off fedi by being blocked by everyone.
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@dalias I guess by work he means "make me money from others creativity"
@hashbangperl @dalias Peep his personal site. He's your garden variety SF techbro. Not surprised Fedi wasn't to his liking since he can't easily profit off of it.
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@faraiwe It's a web-based app at zeitgeist.blue. You're supposed to give the site access to your social media and slop-vendor accounts.
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@dalias never have I wanted to see how many times an account was blocked as badly as I do now
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@dalias To be clear - what he says there is actually incorrect. The bot logs in as whoever is using it, so you'd have to somehow know who *every* current and future user of the bot is, and block *all* of them.
@dragonfrog @dalias He vibecoded the thing anyway; not surprised he has no clue how it works.
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@Barmaid on est d'accord que la personne + son instance + ses alias et les alias de son mari sont/vont être bloqués ?
@Lisoo on va bloquer les utilisateurs connus de l'application en question mais ça ne va pas suffire.
--milia, admin
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
This person announced they left Mastodon because it doesn't work for them, and then "I'm back! And I'm scraping your shit for AI!"
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@dragonfrog @dalias He vibecoded the thing anyway; not surprised he has no clue how it works.
@theorangetheme @dragonfrog @dalias Ah well. Might as well just block his whole server on principle anyway, even if it isn't a technical fix.
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@theorangetheme @dragonfrog @dalias Ah well. Might as well just block his whole server on principle anyway, even if it isn't a technical fix.
@jbaggs @theorangetheme @dragonfrog It's not a technical fix, but ostracization is a social fix.
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This person announced they left Mastodon because it doesn't work for them, and then "I'm back! And I'm scraping your shit for AI!"
@billyjoebowers @dalias There is no OpenAI or Anthropic to me now. There is only Ed Zitron: https://wheresyoured.at/
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@jbaggs @theorangetheme @dragonfrog It's not a technical fix, but ostracization is a social fix.
@dalias @jbaggs @dragonfrog One of the many things I appreciate about the fediverse is that people care about the social aspects of these systems. Like sure, obviously you *can* scrape everyone's posts and shovel them into the slop extruder, but you *ought* not to, and I trust that a large contingent of the fediverse feels the same way and generally wouldn't do that. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" is very clearly alive and well here, based on the responses, and I love it.
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@Lisoo on va bloquer les utilisateurs connus de l'application en question mais ça ne va pas suffire.
--milia, admin
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