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  3. People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

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  • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

    The handwringing about the implications for open source codebases is also especially hilarious

    I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but the answer to the question "does this mean people can now take my MIT-licensed code without attribution if I used a coding assistant?" is that they were already doing that, long before LLMs

    If you're lucky, that will continue to be the case. If you're unlucky, then everyone will just vibe code their own solutions and your project will die in obscurity

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    @nicklockwood Yeah.. but at least you’ll know that somewhere in the code slop your MIT licensed code will have contributed a few weights in that GPU you can no longer afford 😜

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    • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

      People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

      When big media decided that pirating an mp3 file should be a criminal (not civil) offence, the law sided with them

      When big tech decided that pirating every piece of media on the internet for AI training was fair use, the law sided with them

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      @nicklockwood This is why, when people mourn “the rule of law,” I wonder WTF they’re talking about.

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      • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

        @krzyzanowskim if I were a human, I would simply become a rich human, then all my problems would be solved

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        @nicklockwood @krzyzanowskim “simply” 🙂

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        • matthew@mastodon.me.ukM matthew@mastodon.me.uk

          @nicklockwood
          I wonder if this might scare the big companies though… the kinds of places whose legal teams are terrified of the GPL?

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          @matthew Spotify just announced that their developers haven't written a line of code in months. How big of a company are we taking about?

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          • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

            @matthew Spotify just announced that their developers haven't written a line of code in months. How big of a company are we taking about?

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            @nicklockwood
            Oof, that’s a sobering thought.

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            • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

              People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

              When big media decided that pirating an mp3 file should be a criminal (not civil) offence, the law sided with them

              When big tech decided that pirating every piece of media on the internet for AI training was fair use, the law sided with them

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              @nicklockwood nailed it

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              • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

                People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

                When big media decided that pirating an mp3 file should be a criminal (not civil) offence, the law sided with them

                When big tech decided that pirating every piece of media on the internet for AI training was fair use, the law sided with them

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                @nicklockwood

                Thankfully the later one is not yet over as there are also a lot of capital interests opposing this interpretation. Lawsuits are still ongoing...

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                • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

                  People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

                  When big media decided that pirating an mp3 file should be a criminal (not civil) offence, the law sided with them

                  When big tech decided that pirating every piece of media on the internet for AI training was fair use, the law sided with them

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                  @nicklockwood just had to do a copyright lecture for a class I teach last week (a/v preservation) and it's hard for me to convey importance of precedent while also knowing capital is the only thing that matterssssss!!!

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                    @nicklockwood just had to do a copyright lecture for a class I teach last week (a/v preservation) and it's hard for me to convey importance of precedent while also knowing capital is the only thing that matterssssss!!!

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                    @nicklockwood just ended up spending a long time talking about Sony and Universal beefing over VTRs

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                    • nicklockwood@mastodon.socialN nicklockwood@mastodon.social

                      People pontificating about whether codebases containing LLM-generated code are subject to IP protection all seem to be forgetting the key point that the law always sides with capital

                      When big media decided that pirating an mp3 file should be a criminal (not civil) offence, the law sided with them

                      When big tech decided that pirating every piece of media on the internet for AI training was fair use, the law sided with them

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                      @nicklockwood That's not law. That's tyranny.

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