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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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    @tante @algernon 🎯

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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      One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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      @tante the very manifestation of the book the writer cannot promote for legal reasons called “Careless people”- https://mastodon.social/users/dahukanna/statuses/115909518246104074

      #techConsequencesInRealWorld

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      • peterfr@mastodon.artP peterfr@mastodon.art

        @tante 🙏

        fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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        @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

        because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

        it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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        • peterfr@mastodon.artP peterfr@mastodon.art

          @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

          because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

          it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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          @peterfr I appreciate it!

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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            One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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            @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

            Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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            • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

              @tante
              Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

              What do you think?

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              @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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              • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

                Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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                @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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                  @davidgerard @agowa338 not for very long though

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                    My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                    @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                    • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                      @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                      @yatil @lexfri I misread your comment, sorry 😉
                      Glad we can agree that Fridman can fuck himself.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                        One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                        @tante «“having some code and an open license” is not a sufficient set of requirements for building a sustainable, resilient digital landscape for everyone.» yeah, I've been thinking about that recently too for a conference submission (in case it's of interest): https://tzovar.as/open-science-beyond-licenses/

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                        • madcoder@infosec.exchangeM madcoder@infosec.exchange

                          @tante @joe I mean we were just getting rid of memory unsafety — kinda — and we invented a better idiot.

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                          @tante @joe @madcoder Carl Brown (https://www.internetofbugs.com/) recently posted a short video on this which is worth your time:

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                            One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                            @tante as a maintainer and someone doing a lot around this topic (foss as digital infra) I have complex feelings about the rhetoric you use here.

                            I agree wholly on the AI guys. And also I am really really wary of what that exact discourse will do to our digital infra. Because I don't see how it can end other than pain. I want it to end positively but... I can't see it happening

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                            • stefan_hessbrueggen@fedihum.orgS stefan_hessbrueggen@fedihum.org

                              RE: https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/116065340523529645

                              @tante did you see this? https://fedihum.org/@mttaggart@infosec.exchange/116065340521141516

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                              @stefan_hessbrueggen @tante People will be quick to make it about "guardrails" or "alignment" or some other shit.

                              But the core of the matter is: Somebody *human* deployed this bot, either not thinking or (worse!) not *caring* about the ramifications of autocomplete unleashed.

                              The human condition these days is disgusting.

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen This is fucking wild.

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                                @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen

                                This is absolutely insane that we are having to respond to and explain our positions on things to *fucking chat bots* as if they were actual sentient humans. What in the ever loving fuck are we doing?

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                                • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                                  @tante
                                  Oh, ok kinda liked that summary a bit more 🙂

                                  Also regarding rejection of responsibility and care, I wonder how much longer that'll still be possible.
                                  Esp. when things like the person asking in the company chat about the fire alarm being real got told by the chatbot it wasn't and that she doesn't have to leave get more widespread. Did you see that one?

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                                  Attached: 2 images Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                  @agowa338 @tante
                                  A point that wasn't made clear by the OP (and which then had to be explained in replies downthread, more than once):
                                  Everyone *did* leave, and the colleague asked the question in chat while waiting outside.

                                  link:
                                  https://mastodon.online/@tagir_valeev/116057956344847721

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