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  3. This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

    @tante @stefan_hessbrueggen In the thread!

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    @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!

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      @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen This is fucking wild.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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        @tante hahaha lol. The repo is poor slopgold. 250 Open PRs in the last 24 Hours or so. With 15 more than 1500 LoCs.
        Hahahahahahaha… bazillion-times Engineer project.,:)

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          @tante hahaha lol. The repo is poor slopgold. 250 Open PRs in the last 24 Hours or so. With 15 more than 1500 LoCs.
          Hahahahahahaha… bazillion-times Engineer project.,:)

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          @tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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          • nfoonf@chaos.socialN nfoonf@chaos.social

            @tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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            @Nfoonf they do. There's many OpenClaw meetups where they show each other what their LLMs generated.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              @Nfoonf they do. There's many OpenClaw meetups where they show each other what their LLMs generated.

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              @tante its like watching a bunch of 4 years olds competeing who can paint the most pictures with ctheir crayons. Only kids actually learn a lot from this.

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              • nfoonf@chaos.socialN nfoonf@chaos.social

                @tante its like watching a bunch of 4 years olds competeing who can paint the most pictures with ctheir crayons. Only kids actually learn a lot from this.

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                @Nfoonf it's the future.

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  @Nfoonf it's the future.

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                  @tante the future is a merge conflict then, i suppose

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                    Diffusion of Responsibility

                    One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                    @tante

                    "That’s where human in the loop setups come into play: What if the company can just hire one sucker to “check” all the “AI” slop and when things fall apart that one person has to take the blame. Fun!"

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                      One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                      @tante @joe I mean we were just getting rid of memory unsafety — kinda — and we invented a better idiot.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                        One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                        @tante
                        > (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)

                        i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.

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                          @tante
                          > (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)

                          i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.

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                          @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                            Diffusion of Responsibility

                            One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                            @tante

                            "There is zero artificial intelligence today. There could have been, but 50 years ago the decision was made by most scientists and companies to go with machine learning, which was quick and easy, instead of the difficult task of actually reverse engineering and then replicating the human brain.

                            So instead what we have today is machine learning combined with mass plagiarism which we call ‘generative AI’, essentially performing what is akin to a magic trick so that it appears, at times, to be intelligent.

                            While the topic of machine learning is complex in detail, it is simple in concept, which is all we have room for here. Essentially machine learning is simply presenting many thousands or millions of samples to a computer until the associative components ‘learn’ what it is, for example pictures of a daisy from all angles and incarnations.

                            Then companies scoured the internet in the greatest crime of mass plagiarism in history, and used the basic ability of machine learning to recognize nouns, verbs, etc. to chop up and recombine actual human writings and thoughts into ‘generative AI’.

                            So by recognizing basic grammar and hopefully deducing the basic ideas of a query, and then recombining human writings which appear to match that query, we get a very faulty appearance of intelligence - generative AI.

                            But the problem is, as I said in the beginning, there is no actual intelligence involved at all. These programs have no idea what a daisy, or love, or hate, or compassion, or a truck, or horse, or wagon, or anything else, actually is. They just have the ability to do a very faulty combinatorial trick to appear as if they do.

                            And while the human brain consumes around 20 watts, these massive pattern matching computers consume ever increasing billions.

                            However there is hope that actual general intelligence can be created because, thankfully, a handful of scientists rejected machine learning and instead have been working on recreating the connectome of the human brain for 50 years, and they are within a few decades of achieving that goal and truly replicating the human brain, creating true general intelligence.

                            In the meantime it's important for our species to recognize the danger of relying on generative AI for anything, as it's akin to relying on a magician to conjure up a real, physical, living, bunny rabbit.

                            So relying on it to drive cars, or control any critical systems, will always result in massive errors, often leading to real destruction and death."
                            SearingTruth

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                              @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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                              @tante but yeah, the fact the people aren't going to be able to trust FLOSS for the foreseeable future is... unimaginably bad.

                              it's like if scam health-food influencers took control of the CDC.

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                                @tante @huwr there are a lot of good points and criticisms here, but Peter is not the “tech bro wannabe Elon” you say he is. He’s actually a caring thoughtful human who will probably be really hurt by these words.

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!

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                                  @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

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                                    @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

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                                    @rotnroll666 The Kessler syndrome of the Internet.

                                    @tante @mttaggart

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                      Diffusion of Responsibility

                                      One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                                      @tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

                                      Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                        One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                                        @tante
                                        Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                                        What do you think?

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                                        • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                                          @tante
                                          Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                                          What do you think?

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                                          @agowa338 that might actually have been me 😉
                                          https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/

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