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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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    The sad thing is that "open-source" has always been that: a libertarian "do what you want I'm not responsible" ecosystem. Libre software at least tried to make it so that you must make it a collective thing, but still with very little needed coordination. Not surprising seeing where those 2, and computing in general comes from (white rich cishet men who never had any real issues in their life)

    What we need is to uproot this foundation. Start from a collective mindset, build from communities where we all listen and take care of each other. Taken to the extreme open licenses are useless: it is better to have a closed-source system that your community controls (ie the community has full control over what the thing does, but outsider don't necessarily) than an open-source system that everyone must understand on their own, leading to in practice control only by those who build it.
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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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      One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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      @tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.

      You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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        One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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        @tante "handing out running chainsaws to kids" that's exactly their way of responsibility.

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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          One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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          @tante 🙏

          fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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          • nfoonf@chaos.socialN nfoonf@chaos.social

            @tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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            @Nfoonf @tante
            the bots could rent some humans to go to the dev meeting
            https://rentahuman.ai/

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              @larsmb from what I see mostly the * with the tiny "you have to check everything" note in tiny font hidden somewhere in invisible ink is considered enough even by law. Which is a mistake.

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              • demiguise@linuxrocks.onlineD demiguise@linuxrocks.online

                @tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

                Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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                @demiguise thanks fixed

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                  @tante @algernon 🎯

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                    One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                    @tante the very manifestation of the book the writer cannot promote for legal reasons called “Careless people”- https://mastodon.social/users/dahukanna/statuses/115909518246104074

                    #techConsequencesInRealWorld

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                    • peterfr@mastodon.artP peterfr@mastodon.art

                      @tante 🙏

                      fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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                      @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

                      because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

                      it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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                      • peterfr@mastodon.artP peterfr@mastodon.art

                        @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

                        because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

                        it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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                        @peterfr I appreciate it!

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                          One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                          @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

                          Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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                          • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                            @tante
                            Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                            What do you think?

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                            @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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                            • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                              @tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

                              Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

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                              @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                              My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                              If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                @agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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                                @davidgerard @agowa338 not for very long though

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  @yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

                                  My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

                                  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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                                  @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                                  • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                                    @tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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                                    @yatil @lexfri I misread your comment, sorry 😉
                                    Glad we can agree that Fridman can fuck himself.

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                      @tante «“having some code and an open license” is not a sufficient set of requirements for building a sustainable, resilient digital landscape for everyone.» yeah, I've been thinking about that recently too for a conference submission (in case it's of interest): https://tzovar.as/open-science-beyond-licenses/

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                                      • madcoder@infosec.exchangeM madcoder@infosec.exchange

                                        @tante @joe I mean we were just getting rid of memory unsafety — kinda — and we invented a better idiot.

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                                        @tante @joe @madcoder Carl Brown (https://www.internetofbugs.com/) recently posted a short video on this which is worth your time:

                                        - YouTube

                                        Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                          One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                                          @tante as a maintainer and someone doing a lot around this topic (foss as digital infra) I have complex feelings about the rhetoric you use here.

                                          I agree wholly on the AI guys. And also I am really really wary of what that exact discourse will do to our digital infra. Because I don't see how it can end other than pain. I want it to end positively but... I can't see it happening

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