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  3. This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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    @tante

    "There is zero artificial intelligence today. There could have been, but 50 years ago the decision was made by most scientists and companies to go with machine learning, which was quick and easy, instead of the difficult task of actually reverse engineering and then replicating the human brain.

    So instead what we have today is machine learning combined with mass plagiarism which we call ‘generative AI’, essentially performing what is akin to a magic trick so that it appears, at times, to be intelligent.

    While the topic of machine learning is complex in detail, it is simple in concept, which is all we have room for here. Essentially machine learning is simply presenting many thousands or millions of samples to a computer until the associative components ‘learn’ what it is, for example pictures of a daisy from all angles and incarnations.

    Then companies scoured the internet in the greatest crime of mass plagiarism in history, and used the basic ability of machine learning to recognize nouns, verbs, etc. to chop up and recombine actual human writings and thoughts into ‘generative AI’.

    So by recognizing basic grammar and hopefully deducing the basic ideas of a query, and then recombining human writings which appear to match that query, we get a very faulty appearance of intelligence - generative AI.

    But the problem is, as I said in the beginning, there is no actual intelligence involved at all. These programs have no idea what a daisy, or love, or hate, or compassion, or a truck, or horse, or wagon, or anything else, actually is. They just have the ability to do a very faulty combinatorial trick to appear as if they do.

    And while the human brain consumes around 20 watts, these massive pattern matching computers consume ever increasing billions.

    However there is hope that actual general intelligence can be created because, thankfully, a handful of scientists rejected machine learning and instead have been working on recreating the connectome of the human brain for 50 years, and they are within a few decades of achieving that goal and truly replicating the human brain, creating true general intelligence.

    In the meantime it's important for our species to recognize the danger of relying on generative AI for anything, as it's akin to relying on a magician to conjure up a real, physical, living, bunny rabbit.

    So relying on it to drive cars, or control any critical systems, will always result in massive errors, often leading to real destruction and death."
    SearingTruth

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      @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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      @tante but yeah, the fact the people aren't going to be able to trust FLOSS for the foreseeable future is... unimaginably bad.

      it's like if scam health-food influencers took control of the CDC.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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        @tante @huwr there are a lot of good points and criticisms here, but Peter is not the “tech bro wannabe Elon” you say he is. He’s actually a caring thoughtful human who will probably be really hurt by these words.

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!

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          @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

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            @tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

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            @rotnroll666 The Kessler syndrome of the Internet.

            @tante @mttaggart

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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              One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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              @tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

              Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                @tante
                Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                What do you think?

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                  @tante
                  Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

                  What do you think?

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                  @agowa338 that might actually have been me 😉
                  https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/

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                    @tante https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116032953161658413

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                    @JamesWidman
                    We need to read Dune's works about the Butlerian Jihad.

                    @tante

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      @agowa338 that might actually have been me 😉
                      https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/

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                      @tante
                      Oh, ok kinda liked that summary a bit more 🙂

                      Also regarding rejection of responsibility and care, I wonder how much longer that'll still be possible.
                      Esp. when things like the person asking in the company chat about the fire alarm being real got told by the chatbot it wasn't and that she doesn't have to leave get more widespread. Did you see that one?

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                      Attached: 2 images Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                        One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                        The sad thing is that "open-source" has always been that: a libertarian "do what you want I'm not responsible" ecosystem. Libre software at least tried to make it so that you must make it a collective thing, but still with very little needed coordination. Not surprising seeing where those 2, and computing in general comes from (white rich cishet men who never had any real issues in their life)

                        What we need is to uproot this foundation. Start from a collective mindset, build from communities where we all listen and take care of each other. Taken to the extreme open licenses are useless: it is better to have a closed-source system that your community controls (ie the community has full control over what the thing does, but outsider don't necessarily) than an open-source system that everyone must understand on their own, leading to in practice control only by those who build it.
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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                          @tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.

                          You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                            @tante "handing out running chainsaws to kids" that's exactly their way of responsibility.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                              @tante 🙏

                              fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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                                @tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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                                @Nfoonf @tante
                                the bots could rent some humans to go to the dev meeting
                                https://rentahuman.ai/

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                                  @larsmb from what I see mostly the * with the tiny "you have to check everything" note in tiny font hidden somewhere in invisible ink is considered enough even by law. Which is a mistake.

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                                  • demiguise@linuxrocks.onlineD demiguise@linuxrocks.online

                                    @tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

                                    Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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                                    @demiguise thanks fixed

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                      @tante @algernon 🎯

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

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                                        One of the features of “AI” is the diffusion of responsibility: “AI” systems are being put in all kinds of processes and when they fuck up (and they always fuck up) it was just the “AI”, or “someone should have checked things”. “AI” companies want to sell machines to solve every issue but give no […]

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                                        @tante the very manifestation of the book the writer cannot promote for legal reasons called “Careless people”- https://mastodon.social/users/dahukanna/statuses/115909518246104074

                                        #techConsequencesInRealWorld

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                                        • peterfr@mastodon.artP peterfr@mastodon.art

                                          @tante 🙏

                                          fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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                                          @tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

                                          because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

                                          it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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