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The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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  • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

    Our innovative approach: instead of doing something, we simply do not do it. at a fraction of the cost

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    @hannah millennials kill yet another industry! *adds a notch*

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    • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

      The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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      @hannah what the fuck

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      • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

        Our innovative approach: instead of doing something, we simply do not do it. at a fraction of the cost

        elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE This user is from outside of this forum
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        @hannah the federal government has been doing this for decades

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        • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

          Our innovative approach: instead of doing something, we simply do not do it. at a fraction of the cost

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          @hannah obviously the model needs to be trained on a sample of typical responses from the specific population(s) to be surveyed.

          ... so, thats it, AI something something magically gets more precision out of the same dataset, by adding simulated data? They're saying the simulated responses are more accurate than the real responses???

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          • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

            The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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            @hannah what the actual fuck is this

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            • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

              The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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              @hannah I have this same instinctive response every time I've seen reference to "synthetic data." People have been (successfully!) selling this crap for almost a decade!

              There is no way to synthesize data that meaningfully replicates a real world investigation. Simulate volume? Sure. Test specific scenarios or fuzz inputs? Yep, I'll buy that. But there is no expositive value in synthetic data - by definition. It's synthetic! It reflects only the algorithms used to synthesize it! 🤦

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              • shadowjonathan@tech.lgbtS shadowjonathan@tech.lgbt

                @hannah what the actual fuck is this

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                @ShadowJonathan @hannah

                10/10 LLMs think that this is a tremendous idea.

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                • unlofl@mstdn.socialU unlofl@mstdn.social

                  @hannah obviously the model needs to be trained on a sample of typical responses from the specific population(s) to be surveyed.

                  ... so, thats it, AI something something magically gets more precision out of the same dataset, by adding simulated data? They're saying the simulated responses are more accurate than the real responses???

                  unlofl@mstdn.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @hannah Wait, I've got a better idea that will still cut their polling costs in half: we survey people but with half the standard sample size, then we run it all through a photo copier and tabulate the results. We'll get the normal sample size and accuracy!

                  Also, copy machines use a lot less power than AI, its win-win!

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                  • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                    The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                    @hannah "we're going to make up numbers now instead of polling" is a hell of A Choice ™️

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                    • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                      The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                      @hannah hello? I’d like to return my psychology degree for a full refund. I guess I don’t need all that statistics and test theory and construction any more. I was fun while it lasted though. (It wasn’t.) /s

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                      • foobarsoft@mastodon.socialF foobarsoft@mastodon.social

                        @hannah 🤦‍♂️ They can’t possibly be that dumb can they?

                        (Yes I know)

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                        @foobarsoft @hannah I bet they are hip deep in "digital twin" kool-aid.

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                        • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                          The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                          @hannah

                          "we don't need to get actual data to get an accurate average. we'll just average up all the already averaged data. it will be just as good."

                          narrator: "someone flunked their stats 101 course..."

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                          • andygates@mastodon.socialA andygates@mastodon.social

                            @foobarsoft @hannah I bet they are hip deep in "digital twin" kool-aid.

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                            @andygates @foobarsoft bingo, those are mentioned later in the article

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                            • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                              The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                              @hannah this truly is the death of all information integrity everywhere.

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                              • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                @hannah Aaaaaaah.

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                                • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                  The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                  @hannah Feeding the dog it's own vomit. Force-feeding.

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                                  • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                    The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                    @hannah qualtrics floated this (and maybe went through with it idk) right after chatgpt first went live

                                    What hilarious is that this agentic things is plausibly *worse* since you're having simulations fill out the survey instead instead of using an llm to generate a bazillion responses. The responses will still be just as bad, but at a huge markup of energy costs

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                                    • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                      The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                      @hannah

                                      nothing is real

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                                      • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                        The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                        @hannah Wow, sock-puppeting at scale.

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                                        • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                          The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                          #34

                                          @hannah

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