We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running.
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Looks like #CBP / #ICE is out in Italy doing a little advance work:
"US to send ICE agents to Winter Olympics, prompting Italian anger"
"The governor of Lombardy region, Attilio Fontana, sought to calm the situation, suggesting that ICE agents would be deployed in Italy to protect US Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.Olympics, prompting Italian anger"
Which should be the work of the US Secret Service, last time I heard...
@FinchHaven @briankrebs perhaps they are afraid that the secret service might just shoot them in the back at this point?
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@briankrebs No way I could comply as I use wildcard email addressed (and have hundreds of domains) meaning I literally use a different email address on every form and web site and have no way to know them all. I have also had allocated to me well over a million phone numbers (as part of a junk call thing) - I could probably get a list of those and see if I can blow up the ESTA web site perhaps. And I have no right to give other people's numbers to the US either - does anyone, legally?
@revk @briankrebs they want to keep anyone this tech savvy out of the country (or disappear them if they do come). Only conclusion I can make from this.
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How does one even "submit social media from the last 5 years"?
@henrik @briankrebs just give your username, and let big tech hand over the rest of it
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@CrankyOtter
Most likely, when conforted about this point, they will say that the 4th can only be applied to USA citizens.
Then suddently they will forget how to read international treaties about tourists/business trips/scholarships and such...@mistheart @CrankyOtter @briankrebs but they can already just claim you aren’t a US citizen and then you get no due process anyway, so what’s the difference?
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@mistheart @CrankyOtter @briankrebs but they can already just claim you aren’t a US citizen and then you get no due process anyway, so what’s the difference?
@Frantasaur
Honestly? I think it might be a wedge.All authoritatian governents wants control over citizens and monitor them.
This could be a first step to implement this kind of controls, first to a 'minor group' then to everyone. The window of possibilities shift a little bit with every action of this kind.Also, previously there were internacional arrangements between countries regarding visitors and such; but they can blurt any half cooked justification and extend that control to non-american people "in a legal-y way", instead of fliping the table as they do lately.
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@lumiworx @kimlockhartga @briankrebs
It's Palantir and other AI tech bros who are data hungry for more data-inaccessible correlations
Intelligence agencies hope for intel.
Politicians hope for leverage against any and all
The US wants to chose their politicians in any nation by manufacturing consent with AI and micromanagement.
This is neither Trump nor Miller ... ok somewhat MIller
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@farbel @briankrebs Love this!
@farbel @briankrebs My approach was a little more candy coated...
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@Frantasaur
Honestly? I think it might be a wedge.All authoritatian governents wants control over citizens and monitor them.
This could be a first step to implement this kind of controls, first to a 'minor group' then to everyone. The window of possibilities shift a little bit with every action of this kind.Also, previously there were internacional arrangements between countries regarding visitors and such; but they can blurt any half cooked justification and extend that control to non-american people "in a legal-y way", instead of fliping the table as they do lately.
@mistheart @CrankyOtter @briankrebs recently I read a post saying that it makes more sense to read the motivations for the actions of Trump’s people as an abusive partner, rather that fascism. In that context it’s more like an analog of isolating the victim from their support network (friends, family).
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@briankrebs hold on, just trying to remember that work phone number from 8 years ago I did all my terrorist planning texts from.
They're so clever to wring it out of me like this. I nearly got away with it.
@Iwillyeah @briankrebs reminds me of the troubles era “landing forms” that the British used to make people coming from Northern Ireland fill in before arriving in another part of the UK (yes, there was no border control, it was an internal flight). Questions like the “purpose of your visit”, like they were actually going to catch someone out there who would write “terrorist bombing campaign” by mistake
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@Em0nM4stodon @briankrebs I'm honestly sad that I will most likely never be able to visit New York City, which is the main place I would have loved to visit there.
@ainmosni @briankrebs Same here sigh
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@Stevenheywood @briankrebs Looks like even Nige has cooled off a bit lately - after being snubbed maybe.
@annehargreaves @Stevenheywood @briankrebs no, he’s keeping quiet while the backlash against the US is ongoing (a bit like Wilders here in the Netherlands), but he’s still “at it” and very connected with what is going on there.
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@masek The thing is, they know that people will omit information. This is what gives them the upper hand. So the only way to win this game is not to play...
@hyperbolix @masek yeh, basically they can always find a reason you “lied”. Although they seem to not need this right now even for US citizens.
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@mistheart @CrankyOtter @briankrebs recently I read a post saying that it makes more sense to read the motivations for the actions of Trump’s people as an abusive partner, rather that fascism. In that context it’s more like an analog of isolating the victim from their support network (friends, family).
@Frantasaur @mistheart @briankrebs They’re both. The abuse is how they heighten the fear while they slide in the fascism.
The only way out of the US is via Mexico, Canada, or over endless water.
ICE is set up for a kettleing maneuver at the Canadian border, with work camps. in the Dakotas being built.
Fewer international travelers to the US means fewer planes coming AND FEWER LEAVING the US. No visa? Can’t get out.
I don’t exactly know the goal but I see the mechanism.
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@Iwillyeah @briankrebs reminds me of the troubles era “landing forms” that the British used to make people coming from Northern Ireland fill in before arriving in another part of the UK (yes, there was no border control, it was an internal flight). Questions like the “purpose of your visit”, like they were actually going to catch someone out there who would write “terrorist bombing campaign” by mistake
@briankrebs @Frantasaur it's a very English thing to do, for the sake of appearances.
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@briankrebs these are Stasi methods and goes extremely deep into private area.
@astrokramkiste @briankrebs Well... Mr Trump apparently loved to go extremely deep into private areas... 🫣
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@briankrebs I mean, it's not like *this* is suddenly the reason for me not to want to visit.
Never been, never will. The act that these days they wouldn't let my trans ass in anyways is of no consequence.
I'll continue to enjoy beautiful Canada, not to mention all the places in Europe I've already visited and will again in the future. Would love to see more of the world too, the USA can eat a dick though.
@not3ottersinacoat come on down to
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@Frantasaur @lumiworx @kimlockhartga @briankrebs
Palantir is also in German police computers in three states and greenlit by the high court despite undeniable issues with German privacy laws.
The neoliberal ex..Black-Rock Chancellor Merz and his Ministers want to expand it to all of Germany.
We are clearly sleeping at the wheel when it comes to choices of voters.
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I feel for anyone in the travel, tourism and hospitality industries, which make up ~ 10M jobs and ~ 3 percent of the nation's GDP. From the U.S. International Trade Administration (trade.gov)
"Inbound international travel to the United States plays a vital role in the Nation’s economy and promotes cultural exchange and understanding. Travel and tourism is the largest single services export for the United States, accounting for 22 percent of the country’s services exports and 7 percent of all exports in 2023. The travel and tourism industry contributed $2.3 trillion to the U.S. economy in 2022 (2.97 percent of the country’s GDP), supporting 9.5 million jobs."
@briankrebs Stephen Miller's anti-human aggression enforcement hooligans are certainly America's worst ambassadors you could think of.
(Not to mention all of the "Heritage Foundation's Trump regime btw....)
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@not3ottersinacoat come on down to
we'll be happy to have you over anytime you'd like!@kint I'm already Canadian, lol.
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@kint I'm already Canadian, lol.
@not3ottersinacoat yay then!
