We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running.
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@Frantasaur
Honestly? I think it might be a wedge.All authoritatian governents wants control over citizens and monitor them.
This could be a first step to implement this kind of controls, first to a 'minor group' then to everyone. The window of possibilities shift a little bit with every action of this kind.Also, previously there were internacional arrangements between countries regarding visitors and such; but they can blurt any half cooked justification and extend that control to non-american people "in a legal-y way", instead of fliping the table as they do lately.
@mistheart @CrankyOtter @briankrebs recently I read a post saying that it makes more sense to read the motivations for the actions of Trump’s people as an abusive partner, rather that fascism. In that context it’s more like an analog of isolating the victim from their support network (friends, family).
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@briankrebs hold on, just trying to remember that work phone number from 8 years ago I did all my terrorist planning texts from.
They're so clever to wring it out of me like this. I nearly got away with it.
@Iwillyeah @briankrebs reminds me of the troubles era “landing forms” that the British used to make people coming from Northern Ireland fill in before arriving in another part of the UK (yes, there was no border control, it was an internal flight). Questions like the “purpose of your visit”, like they were actually going to catch someone out there who would write “terrorist bombing campaign” by mistake
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@Em0nM4stodon @briankrebs I'm honestly sad that I will most likely never be able to visit New York City, which is the main place I would have loved to visit there.
@ainmosni @briankrebs Same here sigh
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@Stevenheywood @briankrebs Looks like even Nige has cooled off a bit lately - after being snubbed maybe.
@annehargreaves @Stevenheywood @briankrebs no, he’s keeping quiet while the backlash against the US is ongoing (a bit like Wilders here in the Netherlands), but he’s still “at it” and very connected with what is going on there.
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@masek The thing is, they know that people will omit information. This is what gives them the upper hand. So the only way to win this game is not to play...
@hyperbolix @masek yeh, basically they can always find a reason you “lied”. Although they seem to not need this right now even for US citizens.
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@mistheart @CrankyOtter @briankrebs recently I read a post saying that it makes more sense to read the motivations for the actions of Trump’s people as an abusive partner, rather that fascism. In that context it’s more like an analog of isolating the victim from their support network (friends, family).
@Frantasaur @mistheart @briankrebs They’re both. The abuse is how they heighten the fear while they slide in the fascism.
The only way out of the US is via Mexico, Canada, or over endless water.
ICE is set up for a kettleing maneuver at the Canadian border, with work camps. in the Dakotas being built.
Fewer international travelers to the US means fewer planes coming AND FEWER LEAVING the US. No visa? Can’t get out.
I don’t exactly know the goal but I see the mechanism.
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@Iwillyeah @briankrebs reminds me of the troubles era “landing forms” that the British used to make people coming from Northern Ireland fill in before arriving in another part of the UK (yes, there was no border control, it was an internal flight). Questions like the “purpose of your visit”, like they were actually going to catch someone out there who would write “terrorist bombing campaign” by mistake
@briankrebs @Frantasaur it's a very English thing to do, for the sake of appearances.
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@briankrebs these are Stasi methods and goes extremely deep into private area.
@astrokramkiste @briankrebs Well... Mr Trump apparently loved to go extremely deep into private areas... 🫣
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@briankrebs I mean, it's not like *this* is suddenly the reason for me not to want to visit.
Never been, never will. The act that these days they wouldn't let my trans ass in anyways is of no consequence.
I'll continue to enjoy beautiful Canada, not to mention all the places in Europe I've already visited and will again in the future. Would love to see more of the world too, the USA can eat a dick though.
@not3ottersinacoat come on down to
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@Frantasaur @lumiworx @kimlockhartga @briankrebs
Palantir is also in German police computers in three states and greenlit by the high court despite undeniable issues with German privacy laws.
The neoliberal ex..Black-Rock Chancellor Merz and his Ministers want to expand it to all of Germany.
We are clearly sleeping at the wheel when it comes to choices of voters.
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I feel for anyone in the travel, tourism and hospitality industries, which make up ~ 10M jobs and ~ 3 percent of the nation's GDP. From the U.S. International Trade Administration (trade.gov)
"Inbound international travel to the United States plays a vital role in the Nation’s economy and promotes cultural exchange and understanding. Travel and tourism is the largest single services export for the United States, accounting for 22 percent of the country’s services exports and 7 percent of all exports in 2023. The travel and tourism industry contributed $2.3 trillion to the U.S. economy in 2022 (2.97 percent of the country’s GDP), supporting 9.5 million jobs."
@briankrebs Stephen Miller's anti-human aggression enforcement hooligans are certainly America's worst ambassadors you could think of.
(Not to mention all of the "Heritage Foundation's Trump regime btw....)
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@not3ottersinacoat come on down to
we'll be happy to have you over anytime you'd like!@kint I'm already Canadian, lol.
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@kint I'm already Canadian, lol.
@not3ottersinacoat yay then!
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs If the #USA wants to become a #PariahState where noone I know can legally enter, then they shure made that happen...
- This is worse than #Russia, #Iran, "P.R." #China, #Afghanistan, #Turkmenistan, #KSA and #NorthKorea combined.
Espechally since the amount of info as well as #Givware demanded is literally Illegal and even if I wanted to I cold not comply because that would nesessitating comitting literal felonies in #Germany!
- If @AuswaertigesAmt doesn't protest and warn against entering the #US as they warn against the nations listed + #Yemen then they basically jist gave up!
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@sternecker @briankrebs under this proposal, no, it would only be through the immigration process and returning citizens bypass that. I wouldn’t put it past them to try that next, but it’s not on the table yet.
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What's scary is that the Dems have a very poor record when it comes to undoing some of the evil stuff by the Republicans (Patriot Act anyone?)
I reckon whatever happens with the next elections, this is here to stay
@gotofritz @briankrebs my feeling always was that Democrats are smart enough to let Republicans from time to time do what they'd never dare to do and to keep it like this once Republicans kicked themselves out of the White House.
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@astrokramkiste @briankrebs Well... Mr Trump apparently loved to go extremely deep into private areas... 🫣
@ElBeeToots @briankrebs not his only terrible decision, all is going worst
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs Just stay put. Don't head for America.
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Just say no to #fashpass
@briankrebs Three percent GDP eh? Do better. Great Britain achieved about 4% by their self-imposed sanctions regime.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs Das sind alles Daten die die doch eh schon längst haben. Die wollen die wohl bloß nochmal abgleichen. Passt scho.
