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Let's make a Pi Pico 2 powered video card.

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  • fraggle@social.coopF fraggle@social.coop

    @gloriouscow I think it's easy to just default to implementing solutions in software. There are plenty of good reasons why - the tooling is usually better and more familiar, it requires less specialized knowledge, it's often easier to throw together the first PoC and to extend it later.

    Often the "proper" solution is that you probably should be working at a lower level - whether that's FPGAs or discrete components. The classic example is using an Arduino to make a blinking light. I don't think there should be any shame in it no matter what solution one uses, but good engineering involves knowing when you've outgrown the current approach

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    @fraggle

    I didn't know how to program Picos a month ago, now I do. I will bet good money future me will not be afraid of FPGAs, but they scare current me a lot

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    • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

      @ldcd correct there's no clock line on the video connector. The monitor has PLLs to synchronize to vertical and horizontal frequencies within a certain range. A CGA monitor expects a 15.7kHZ hsync, for example. The signal, although digital in color, is put through analog circuit and so the monitor does not have to sample colors.

      The Pi in the rgb2hdmi is sampling the color at a certain period within a dot window. If I am writing colors out of phase with the sampling then we will have various flickering going on. Why only in those specific areas? I am not really sure.

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      @gloriouscow hmm I wonder if you're seeing some crosstalk between the different lines? Breadboards tend to have a lot of parasitics

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      • ldcd@social.treehouse.systemsL ldcd@social.treehouse.systems

        @gloriouscow hmm I wonder if you're seeing some crosstalk between the different lines? Breadboards tend to have a lot of parasitics

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        @gloriouscow hmm actually I don't think that would do it

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        • ldcd@social.treehouse.systemsL ldcd@social.treehouse.systems

          @gloriouscow hmm actually I don't think that would do it

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          @gloriouscow dumb question but have you checked HSYNC and VSYNC with a scope? I've had some monitors (although HDMI so probably quite different) where I've inverted or neglected one or the other and the PLL still sorta locks and you get an image

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          • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

            I do have a de10 nano FPGA board. It's in my MiSTer. Which I never use!

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            @gloriouscow A bit more expensive than 2 x $5 though 😅

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            • 2ndnaturedev@mastodon.nu2 2ndnaturedev@mastodon.nu

              @gloriouscow A bit more expensive than 2 x $5 though 😅

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              @2ndNatureDev

              I don't think you need anything near that to make a CGA, but yeah, anything with an FPGA is going to be a bit more expensive.

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              • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                I do have a de10 nano FPGA board. It's in my MiSTer. Which I never use!

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                Right. This isn't completely baffling or anything

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                • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                  Right. This isn't completely baffling or anything

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                  Oh, wait, I remember this level from ZZT.

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                  • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                    Oh, wait, I remember this level from ZZT.

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                    I think the elf needs food badly

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                    • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                      I think the elf needs food badly

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                      okay this isn't that confusing

                      for example, these are the snake pins. you can choose from left snakes or right snakes

                      Link Preview Image
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                      • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                        Right. This isn't completely baffling or anything

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                        @gloriouscow this seems like something @paulrickards would generate and send to his plotter

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                        • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                          I'm starting to think a pico is not the appropriate thing to build a video card with.

                          all my fun ideas always end up with me concluding i should use an FPGA.

                          FPGAs are like the crabs of electronics projects. everything wants to turn into an FPGA if you give it enough time.

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                          @gloriouscow are DSPs horribly unfashionable now? I remember for a minute in the 90s, everything was a DSP

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                          • robdaemon@hachyderm.ioR robdaemon@hachyderm.io

                            @gloriouscow this seems like something @paulrickards would generate and send to his plotter

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                            @robdaemon @gloriouscow Totally, I'd plot that 🙂

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                            • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                              okay this isn't that confusing

                              for example, these are the snake pins. you can choose from left snakes or right snakes

                              Link Preview Image
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                              you know, there's a very good reason NOT to use an FPGA

                              when you actually use the proper tools for a job, it stops becoming a hack.

                              you're no longer a hacker, you're some kind of engineer or something. ugh.

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                              • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                you know, there's a very good reason NOT to use an FPGA

                                when you actually use the proper tools for a job, it stops becoming a hack.

                                you're no longer a hacker, you're some kind of engineer or something. ugh.

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                                Well, I did an FPGA thing. Can check that off the bucket list.

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                                • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                  okay this isn't that confusing

                                  for example, these are the snake pins. you can choose from left snakes or right snakes

                                  Link Preview Image
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                                  @gloriouscow this pin only does rising edges

                                  That pin only does falling edges

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                                  • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                    Well, I did an FPGA thing. Can check that off the bucket list.

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                                    @gloriouscow

                                    “That's why they call me the Count!” —you, probably

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                                    • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @gloriouscow

                                      “That's why they call me the Count!” —you, probably

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                                      @argv_minus_one nobody has ever called me the count, and i hope they do not start

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                                      • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                        Well, I did an FPGA thing. Can check that off the bucket list.

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                                        @gloriouscow

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                                        • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                          Well, I did an FPGA thing. Can check that off the bucket list.

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                                          Okay, lets see if I can get a 14.31818MHz clock out of this thing.

                                          We have a 50MHz clock source, on a pin called FPGA_CLK1_50.

                                          How do we get 14.31818MHz out of that?

                                          By attaching a PLL to it, hopefully.

                                          module de10_clock_test (
                                          input wire FPGA_CLK1_50,
                                          output wire GPIO_1_0
                                          );

                                          wire clk_osc;
                                          wire pll_locked;

                                          cga_pll pll_inst (
                                          .refclk (FPGA_CLK1_50),
                                          .rst (1'b0),
                                          .outclk_0 (clk_osc),
                                          .locked (pll_locked)
                                          );

                                          assign GPIO_1_0 = clk_osc;
                                          endmodule
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