The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth.

[ayl@mastodon.social]

@Steve @everton137 @allaboutberlin I feel like in combination with repurposed phones and PCs for servers it’s like building an alternative infrastructure to the search dependent ones

[steve@social.coop]

@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin There are two ways to find information: searching and browsing. Browsing used to be the default, which is why web programs are called "browsers." I miss those days, and would be happy to have them back. The one big site that's still browsing-friendly is Wikipedia.

[brad@1040ste.net]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin and another earlier today - the overfishing dude https://mastodon.online/@Pepijn/111991376150442267

[retreival9096@hachyderm.io]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin

First result on noai.DuckDuckGo:

All About Berlin
Find out how to move to Berlin, start a business, or get professional help. All About Berlin offers practical and comprehensive guides for various aspects of living in Berlin.

Move to Berlin

This guide shows you how to relocate to Berlin. It covers finding a job in Berlin, getting a residence permit, finding an apartment, and more.
Find a job

This guide shows you how to get a job in Germany, from the job search to your first day at work.
Start a business

A detailed guide to all the rules you must follow when starting a business in Germany, from registering as a freelancer to paying your taxes.
An apartment

This guide helps you find an apartment for rent in Berlin. It explains everything from the housing search to moving in.
An Anmeldung

This guide explains how to do your Anmeldung in Berlin. This is how you register your address, and how you get a Meldebescheinigung and a tax ID.
A bank account

This guide compares the best bank accounts for foreigners. It reviews the features, fees and requirements of each bank.

[koen_hufkens@mastodon.social]

@svelmoe @everton137 @allaboutberlin You forgot the part where they made everyone invested through their big IPOs, making everyone a bag holder - ready for the rug pull - while they run away laughing when the economy turns. And then, instead of having them go bust, we must bail them out - let people lose their retirements etc. But, enjoy the weekend.

[hellomiakoda@pdx.social]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin Sooo.... when Google AI kills all the web.... the fuck the AI going to pull answers from?

[beandev@social.tchncs.de]

@everton137
Google is shooting itself in the foot. For one thing, no tracking or ad impressions are generated on websites. Additionaly, other search engines will likely start to gain ground.
@allaboutberlin

[ginevracat@toot.community]

@everton137 @malachy @allaboutberlin Instantly bookmarking the site.

[everton137@social.vivaldi.net]

@brad @allaboutberlin thanks for sharing.

[ooze@wirejunkie.net]

@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin webrings. They still exist.

[made@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin just subscribed to RSS
Didnt know about the sitr. Pretty nice

[decoderwheel@hachyderm.io]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin Thing is, I would be prepared to bet it's _not_ being trained on their site specifically. I bet it's a generically trained LLM that is live querying Google's cache of their website and "summarising" it (and other related content). In other words, it would bypass the debate about training and copyright. It could be incontrovertibly live copyright infringement.

[scottishwildcat@mastodon.ie]

@CyberPunker @NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin How do you do that without poisoning the sources you’re trying to preserve?

[alci@pouet.chapril.org]

@beandev @everton137 @allaboutberlin seems for tracking Google has a plan: they already own a large part of our mails, documents, phones,...

[cyberpunker@mastodon.social]

@scottishwildcat
Trying to identify the AI Scraper and serve them other content than humans.
There are projects to do something like that, if i am not mistaken.

@NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin

[irina@critter.cafe]

@hellomiakoda a handful of "news providers" with licensing deals, and just making stuff up

[charlie_house@mastodon.social]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin
Qwant.Com
-->independence.

[joeltruher@sfba.social]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin It's almost funny how on-the-nose another recent example is: overfishing.org. The content harvester/processor is literally overfishing the content fishery. In the real world, overfishing was allowed to happen until enough bounty was destroyed that the surviving processors recognized their doom and got laws passed to restrain each other. Is something like that possible here? It's not a perfect analogy (previously harvested fish can be endlessly recycled, the crisis is more on the margin, processor concentration is much higher), but maybe?

[shadowfetch@indieweb.social]

@everton137 This is exactly why I've stuck to native iOS apps over web tools, but even the App Store feels precarious now. Seeing years of hand-curated, high-quality work get digested into an LLM with zero return for the creator is incredibly demoralizing for any indie builder.

[sterpeto@social.vivaldi.net]

@everton137 @allaboutberlin Then stop supporting Google. If you're not making money from you better ignore it and do your work to be indexed by other search engines. They'll replace you anyway soon. Fuck SEO. Maybe we should come back to build curated indexes of directories.