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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers.

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  • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

    LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

    ggmcbg@mstdn.plusG This user is from outside of this forum
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    @danirabbit

    "Did you eat LLM chips as a kid?"

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    • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

      LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

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      luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place
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      @danirabbit That's the time frame I considered, decades. Furthermore, there will be advances with the technology. In some years LeCun plans to have his startup produce new models, based on JEPA. If you give even a 10-20% more reliability to current systems people will eventually adopt them as undisputable truth - even if they fail a 50% of times, and bias users 90% of times.
      I've had a talk right yesterday with a very smart engineer who was anyway totally enchanted by an LLM's results.

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      • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

        LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

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        @danirabbit
        ✅ Causes brain damage when used to ingest.
        ✅ Adds a sweet taste to everything, even shit.
        ✅ Is the preferred weapon of thugs-of-the-age.
        ✅ Easy to solder together haphazardly.

        Yep.

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        • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

          LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

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          @danirabbit I'm a bit curious how ElementaryOS (well, you lot 😄) are coping with upstream vibecoding if and when it happens?

          I have no bright ideas, to be honest - so consider this my copium asking more knowledgable people 😊.

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          • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

            LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

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            @danirabbit LLM is just tool. Thats all!

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            • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

              LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

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              @danirabbit Jeppp, same energy as what @pluralistic wrote a while ago: "AI is the asbestos we are shoveling into the walls of our society and our descendants will be digging it out for generations:"

              Just a moment...

              favicon

              (doctorow.medium.com)

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              • thepwnicorn@infosec.exchangeT thepwnicorn@infosec.exchange

                @danirabbit I saw it described elsewhere as digital asbestos.

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                @thepwnicorn @danirabbit "aisbestos" is my current favourite. It certainly is. A wonder-product to cure all our problems now. It won't take as long as asbestos for it to be revealed as an awful idea though.

                I'm sure it'll be harder for big ai to hide it than for big asbestos who spent years suppressing science, lobbying governments and denying victims' claims.

                Pliny the younger wrote of the illness of asbestos mine workers and he's so old he's in history books. He even wrote about history before it had been invented. Probably because it was the present when he wrote. However we still put asbestos in everything we could in the twentieth century.

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                • muod@mastodon.socialM muod@mastodon.social

                  @danirabbit LLM is just tool. Thats all!

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                  @muod @danirabbit A stolen tool that kills a non-trivial fraction of a polar bear every time it's used, that is sold by a man who constantly lies about its capabilities.

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                  • muod@mastodon.socialM muod@mastodon.social

                    @danirabbit LLM is just tool. Thats all!

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                    @muod @danirabbit So are whips. I heard baking with them is all the rage nowadays.

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                    • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                      LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish

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                      @danirabbit

                      It's so wonderful to see such faith in the quality of the average human-written code!

                      But every time I look at Coverity (an excellent static analyzer for finding difficult bugs) I see their "defect density over time" graph which has the "OSS average" set at 0.5 (presumably per 1000 LOC).

                      Whenever I added new code, I could not get it to stay at 0.0, whether it was my code, other humans or AI. I had to rely on Coverity to determine the errors and fix them (now also AI's job).

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                      • rupert@mastodon.nzR rupert@mastodon.nz

                        @muod @danirabbit A stolen tool that kills a non-trivial fraction of a polar bear every time it's used, that is sold by a man who constantly lies about its capabilities.

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                        #16

                        @rupert @danirabbit yes Agreed!

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