We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
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@cstross No, we really don't. We have to learn from all this.
@drewtowler @cstross Going on about what was done, why it was bad, and why it shouldn’t happen again can be easily done without the constant mention of someone’s name.
Some take perverse pleasure in hearing their names spread widely regardless of whether the context is good or bad. Denying them that isn’t a bad thing.
“Love me or hate me. Both are in my favour. If you love me, I'll always be in your heart. If you hate me, I'll always be in your mind.” - Vivekananda
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@cstross it’s gonna be hard, with his minted coins and his signature of currency bills. But I sister has a mortal fear of being erased
@Remittancegirl @cstross I'm thinking of getting a little stamp with a black rectangle and the word REDACTED above it, exactly the size of the currency signature.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross as long as Americans don't forget the many lessons they need to learn from this utter fuckup they've unleashed onto the world and widespread harm caused by it.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross I got the joke. But Damnatio Memoriae is very dangerous. In Italy we still have fascist architecture and symbols. The reason we don’t reap them apart and we still talk about Mussolini is to remind ourselves about the mistakes we’ve made in the past and how to avoid making them again.
If you don’t remember your mistakes you will inevitably repeat them again
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross @hypostase
A) we already do this to people on the regular (see for example https://aus.social/@oscarjiminy/116310770078870754) and
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
Didn't work for Herostartus (burned the Artemision) or Akhenaten (tried monotheism in Egypt), or... well, lots of examples.
@davidbrin has periodically suggested, instead of suppressing their names, we legally force a name change to an embarrassing obscenity & require its use in public. (Real name can be in a footnote, but only one time per publication, with limits on type size.)
Just *imagine* the contest to propose a new name for Trump.
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@drewtowler @cstross I'm afraid I agree on this, we can never forget this. But now while we're boiling in the soup I do understand M. Morris' feeling.
@Nonya_Bidniss @drewtowler @cstross strike his name and replace it with The Mistake. Let that be his legacy
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
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@cstross I'd also point out the Memory Hole, but with LLMs issuing bans of 1984, that's just way too fucking on the nose.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross this plus corruption of blood. Under the current constitution, you'll need an amendment to institute that. I think it would send the right message.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross One of the saddest parts of cyclic behavior is, something worse arising 'next time around'.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross
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@cstross @pluralistic @Remittancegirl I look forward to a future in which the only mention of Trump's name in the media comes in the form of headlines that say "Donald Trump still dead”.
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This is what actually should happen indeed, was only yesterday discussing this when the example of Akhenaton in ancient Egypt came to my mind…
Erased from all official records… -
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross one day, the first 600 years of turtle island's history after colonization will be known rightly as the warring period. Individual leader names will forgotten, as spans of time are grouped instead by man-made disasters and the aftermath- until the first stable period when the people no longer cede control of their day to day lives to the Moocher class. the warring period will be a short, violent chapter, in relation to the long story of Humanity.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
“You have to bring him down with ridicule … It’s been one of my lifelong jobs – to make the world laugh at Adolf Hitler.”
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross in the Biden presidency some started to call him TFG / the former guy / that fucking guy, but it's hard to keep it up with his return in power.
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We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
@cstross agreed, but could we start with the French custom of guillotine?
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This is what actually should happen indeed, was only yesterday discussing this when the example of Akhenaton in ancient Egypt came to my mind…
Erased from all official records…@xs4me2 @cstross @Remittancegirl
Imperial China's version of this was "Nine Generations".
The six dynasties bankrolling Project 2025 should keep this in mind.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/28/project-2025-heritage-foundation-hack
Project 2025 Offers Dystopian View of America
The ACLU is fighting back against this extremist proposal by the Heritage Foundation.
American Civil Liberties Union (www.aclu.org)
Bradley, Koch, Coors, Scaife Mellon, Seid, Uihlein
6 Billionaire Fortunes Bankrolling Project 2025
More than $120 million from a few ultra-wealthy families who have spent years working to promote climate change denial has powered the Heritage Foundation and other groups that created the plan to remake American government.
DeSmog (www.desmog.com)
Mapped: How 6 Billionaire Family Fortunes Fund Project 2025
Unraveling a $130 million web of climate denial, political extremism, and Trump campaign ties.
DeSmog (www.desmog.com)
