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Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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  • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

    Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

    jaunebaguette@framapiaf.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jaunebaguette@framapiaf.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jaunebaguette@framapiaf.org
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    @yunohost De fait, on doit s'attendre à ce que des logiciels comme Nextcloud soient retirés du catalogue ? Et d'autres comme LocalAI ?

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    • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

      Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

      tinsuke@mas.toT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @KitsuneofInari @halla it is heartwarming to see such integrity from great FOSS projects.

      Keep up the awesome work!

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      • creepy_owlet@mastodon.onlineC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @halla @loleg @Li @KitsuneofInari while your opponent's argumentation is lacking, being such a grotesquely arrogant cunt to a stranger will definitely convince them, good job. They'll definitely come in a month for more of your brilliant ad hominem.

        No wonder nobody is taking AI critics seriously.

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        • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

          Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

          otto@bsd.networkO This user is from outside of this forum
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          @KitsuneofInari I can confirm. We were co-workers some 25 years back...

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          • creepy_owlet@mastodon.onlineC creepy_owlet@mastodon.online

            @halla @loleg @Li @KitsuneofInari while your opponent's argumentation is lacking, being such a grotesquely arrogant cunt to a stranger will definitely convince them, good job. They'll definitely come in a month for more of your brilliant ad hominem.

            No wonder nobody is taking AI critics seriously.

            loleg@hachyderm.ioL This user is from outside of this forum
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            @creepy_owlet @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari Just going through a bout of anxiety & insomnia, watching the moon slowly sink over the night sky and imagining the little people in a tin can circling around it.

            Thank you for your kindness 🤗 but let’s all be kind to one another. Maybe there are compelling reasons (loss of job opportunities, state of the world, etc.) we don’t know and dare not ask.

            I am absolutely fine with being muted, and frankly we all need such things for our peace of mind.

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            • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

              Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

              stoev@social.stoev.devS This user is from outside of this forum
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              @KitsuneofInari This is great. I fully respect it!

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              • loleg@hachyderm.ioL loleg@hachyderm.io

                @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari I completely respect the decision of the maintainers, and think it’s better to have a clear policy than let the debate stew and simmer. Given the user base and sentiment against the GenAI topic, it’s possibly even the right move.

                I just want to see an even better justification, like: we don’t add code, we tactically remove it. Our code base is a sculpture, and LLMs aren’t much help here.

                Or even: as you kind of wrote above, Krita is an expression of the joy of art through the joy of coding. We aren’t feeling the vibes when you PR us your lobster soup, but feel free to make your own painting program from scratch. Call it Pincha, if you want!

                mmol@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @loleg

                I can see your point.

                @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari

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                • moses_izumi@fe.disroot.orgM moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org
                  @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari
                  Hell, sometimes the best software is no software.
                  mmol@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @moses_izumi

                  Absolutely, case closed everybody.

                  @halla @KitsuneofInari @Li

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                  • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                    Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                    @KitsuneofInari Not sure if that’s on purpose so just in case: the last paragraph of the alt‐text is not visible on the image?

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                    • bluestarultor@tech.lgbtB bluestarultor@tech.lgbt

                      @ulyssesalmeida @KitsuneofInari Aside from them all slapping their branding on it? Poor code quality. LLMs don't know how to call existing functions; they just write new code with some stab at the same functionality. Heck, they're finding Claude Code is vibe-coded by Claude itself and it's so incapable of calling functions that it's literally re-prompting itself instead.

                      If that's any indication, detecting generated code is as simple as a gut check. If your guts are wringing your lunch back out, it's generated. XD

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                      @bluestarultor @KitsuneofInari fair point. So, in the end of the day, they will accept good quality code and reject poor quality code.

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                      • ulyssesalmeida@bolha.usU ulyssesalmeida@bolha.us

                        @bluestarultor @KitsuneofInari fair point. So, in the end of the day, they will accept good quality code and reject poor quality code.

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                        @ulyssesalmeida @KitsuneofInari I mean one would also hope someone has morals to disclose it if it's for some reason not immediately caught, but then Claude Code also has a special stealth mode only accessible to Anthropic employees, so probably not.

                        Ultimately, "no" means "no."

                        And frankly anyone violating that consent can take a big leap on a balance beam and land on both sides.

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                        • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                          Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                          @KitsuneofInari THANK YOU @krita YOU ARE WONDERFUL ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

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                          • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                            Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                            @KitsuneofInari that's such a good way of putting it!
                            When I see people saying "I've read and understood all the generated code" it feels like "I can quit smoking whenever I want"
                            Like it might even be true at that moment but two years down the line?

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                            • ulyssesalmeida@bolha.usU ulyssesalmeida@bolha.us

                              @KitsuneofInari how do they detect LLM generated code?

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                              @ulyssesalmeida You can't, not always. Dishonest dev's will exist. How many thieves donate to charity? Probably some. How will we know? We dont. @KitsuneofInari

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                              • halla@kde.socialH halla@kde.social

                                @Li @KitsuneofInari So... Nobody can really understand code fully, not even the code they have written. Code has become too complex, and there is just too much of it!

                                But if you have thought about what your were writing, if you have recorded your thinking in commit messages and comments.

                                There is a chance you might have a recollection of having created that code when debugging it, ten years later.

                                If you asked Claude to regexp-slop it for you, not chance.

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                                @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari Anyone who has ever tried knows that if you try to learn math by just reading a bunch of chapters in the text book, you might get a passable C on the test the next day, but you'll flunk any attempt as little as a week later.
                                As a human, you need to do the work.

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                                • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                  Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                  @KitsuneofInari To halla's point, this research here (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6097646) found that over 70% of people using LLM tools accept AI's faulty reasoning.

                                  Though I wonder how much of that is human's inability to detect faulty reasoning? The research did tests that included time-pressured tasks and the impact that had.

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                                  • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                    Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                    @KitsuneofInari this is so good
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                                    • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                      Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                      @KitsuneofInari Krita just never stops being based at every corner.

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                                        @GezThePez
                                        Layers of abstraction should be predictable, reliable, reproducable. They never fully are (bugs, leaking abstraction), but bullshit machines cannot be in principle. You will always have to check everything down to the base layer.

                                        That isn't abstraction.

                                        It's a tool.

                                        In the sense that a Nikon F is a hammer.

                                        @KitsuneofInari

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                                          @GezThePez
                                          Yes. In the same sense that I used "should be" in my post. Context matters. In this case, just continue reading.

                                          @KitsuneofInari

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