Can the AI haters give it a rest already?
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@quanin @Meepercat An interesting point of view. Not sure how tongue in cheek you're being. I want to be free. I want not to be abused. I want to suffer as little abuse as possible, for that to be the case for all of us. If that is an addiction and, honestly, I don't accept that, since I define addiction as something that harms you, so be it.
@JustinMac84 @quanin You ever been told to find another place to live by people who have prevented you from getting a work history or a rental history? You ever been called a piece of shit? Threatened with institutionalization? Those things are abuse. Go look up the definition of abuse before you start spouting off on what abuse is.
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@quanin @JustinMac84 To compare that to an abusive relationship is... a piss poor comparison to say the least. Yes, I know my privacy is being violated, but am I going to make my life more difficult by asking my *real* abusers to do more for me that they don't want to do? Please, put that one in your pipe and smoke it, for a good, long, while.
@Meepercat @quanin Of course it's an abusive relationship. This person or entity does things to me that I would rather they didn't do, but I'm powerless against it so I have to let them do whatever they like. If that isn't abuse I really don't know what is. They give me a little bit of what I need and shit on me for the privelidge therefore it's a good deal? That! Is! Abuse! By any metric or measure, that is absolutely abuse.
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@JustinMac84 I mean, this was a conversation that didn't need to happen, and only happened because you had an argument to make. I'm glad you learned something, but honestly, I stopped caring about this thread when I went to bed last night.
@quanin I'm sorry you haven't got anything from it and will leave you in peace.
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@quanin @Meepercat An interesting point of view. Not sure how tongue in cheek you're being. I want to be free. I want not to be abused. I want to suffer as little abuse as possible, for that to be the case for all of us. If that is an addiction and, honestly, I don't accept that, since I define addiction as something that harms you, so be it.
@JustinMac84 @Meepercat Addictions can also be harmful to other people, even if they don't directly harm you. The fact that your position is being seen as a choice between a consentual relationship that you see as abusive and a non-consentual relationship that someone else sees as abusive... that's the harm. You're literally asking them to prefer the non-consentual abuse. That may not be what you're intending, but if it needs to be pointed out to you, it's also because you can't see that. Addiction blinds people.
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@JustinMac84 @quanin You ever been told to find another place to live by people who have prevented you from getting a work history or a rental history? You ever been called a piece of shit? Threatened with institutionalization? Those things are abuse. Go look up the definition of abuse before you start spouting off on what abuse is.
@Meepercat I am sorry you have suffered those things, but the existence of one type of abuse doesn't preclude the existence of another, nor does it mean there aren't degrees of abuse. that you have suffered those things isn't my fault and I see no reason for you to be offensive or to take it out on me.
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@JustinMac84 @Meepercat Addictions can also be harmful to other people, even if they don't directly harm you. The fact that your position is being seen as a choice between a consentual relationship that you see as abusive and a non-consentual relationship that someone else sees as abusive... that's the harm. You're literally asking them to prefer the non-consentual abuse. That may not be what you're intending, but if it needs to be pointed out to you, it's also because you can't see that. Addiction blinds people.
@quanin @Meepercat that's a mis-representation of my argument. I'm not saying that and I think you know that. Even you acknowledge it as abuse. I myself, grudgingly, use the same services she does. Doesn't mean I have to like it, nor that I have to take it lying down, nor that I don't use other alternatives that I hope aren't abusive wherever and whenever possible.
I literally did not say she should prefer being abused one way to another.
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@JustinMac84 @Meepercat Addictions can also be harmful to other people, even if they don't directly harm you. The fact that your position is being seen as a choice between a consentual relationship that you see as abusive and a non-consentual relationship that someone else sees as abusive... that's the harm. You're literally asking them to prefer the non-consentual abuse. That may not be what you're intending, but if it needs to be pointed out to you, it's also because you can't see that. Addiction blinds people.
@quanin @Meepercat The ideal is obviously no abuse at all.
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@quanin @Meepercat that's a mis-representation of my argument. I'm not saying that and I think you know that. Even you acknowledge it as abuse. I myself, grudgingly, use the same services she does. Doesn't mean I have to like it, nor that I have to take it lying down, nor that I don't use other alternatives that I hope aren't abusive wherever and whenever possible.
I literally did not say she should prefer being abused one way to another.
@JustinMac84 @Meepercat I mean, I used your wording, but I don't agree with it. Which is my entire point. You define abuse the way you do and that's fine. But now you're arguing against someone else's definition of abuse, and that's harmful.
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@JustinMac84 @Meepercat I mean, I used your wording, but I don't agree with it. Which is my entire point. You define abuse the way you do and that's fine. But now you're arguing against someone else's definition of abuse, and that's harmful.
@quanin @Meepercat This is getting absurd. She argued against my definition of abuse. By your metric, that is harmful yet I am the one you are attacking. I said such and such was abusive, she disagreed so I defended my position. But if we are really doing this: the Webster dictionary defines abusive as: 2
: characterized by wrong or improper use or action
especially : CORRUPT
abusive financial practices. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abusive -
@JustinMac84 @Meepercat I mean, I used your wording, but I don't agree with it. Which is my entire point. You define abuse the way you do and that's fine. But now you're arguing against someone else's definition of abuse, and that's harmful.
@quanin @Meepercat If you don't regard giving someone a camera that will collect sensitive images without their consent and distribute them without their consent, especially doing it to people who have little other recourse other than to put up with it as falling within that definition, I am not the one with the problem. That is an abuse of power. That is an abuse of trust. That is an abuse of the other person's vulnerability and relative lack of power.
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@JustinMac84 @Meepercat I mean, I used your wording, but I don't agree with it. Which is my entire point. You define abuse the way you do and that's fine. But now you're arguing against someone else's definition of abuse, and that's harmful.
@quanin @Meepercat That is, unless you regard the dictionary's disagreement with her definition as also harmful, abuse. It may not be physical, it may not be overt, she may consent to it, by her own admition because she feels she has no choice, but it is abuse.
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@quanin @Meepercat If you don't regard giving someone a camera that will collect sensitive images without their consent and distribute them without their consent, especially doing it to people who have little other recourse other than to put up with it as falling within that definition, I am not the one with the problem. That is an abuse of power. That is an abuse of trust. That is an abuse of the other person's vulnerability and relative lack of power.
@JustinMac84 @Meepercat First of all, I am not attacking you. You will absolutely know it if I am. Second, nowhere is anyone's sensitive images being collected without their consent from their own camera, unless the app that's doing it is legitimately spyware, and at that point you've got bigger problems. Even TikTok doesn't do that. Please provide an actual citation of a legitimate app actually doing that.
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@JustinMac84 @Meepercat First of all, I am not attacking you. You will absolutely know it if I am. Second, nowhere is anyone's sensitive images being collected without their consent from their own camera, unless the app that's doing it is legitimately spyware, and at that point you've got bigger problems. Even TikTok doesn't do that. Please provide an actual citation of a legitimate app actually doing that.
@quanin @Meepercat You clearly didn't read the article she had such an extreme reaction to. In it, it records instances of Meta Glasses literally recording people not their owner as long as 5 minutes after users left the room. Same article references Siri eavesdropping. So spyware. But I would argue they are just the most extreme cases. Sharing the naked pictures I may choose to share with my partner on *my* device *without my consent* is also...
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@JustinMac84 @Meepercat First of all, I am not attacking you. You will absolutely know it if I am. Second, nowhere is anyone's sensitive images being collected without their consent from their own camera, unless the app that's doing it is legitimately spyware, and at that point you've got bigger problems. Even TikTok doesn't do that. Please provide an actual citation of a legitimate app actually doing that.
@quanin @Meepercat I strongly maintain, abuse. Those are images I have chosen to take and share within strict parameters. For a company to take it upon itself to do what it likes with them is violation.
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@quanin @Meepercat I strongly maintain, abuse. Those are images I have chosen to take and share within strict parameters. For a company to take it upon itself to do what it likes with them is violation.
@JustinMac84 @Meepercat And if that is happening, and can be proven, you'll have a case. But Siri eves dropping? Solveable by turning that part of Siri off. Takes 5 seconds, if that bothers you. There are more than a few people who are okay with that and do not see it as abuse. I don't see it as abuse but also don't have a use for it, so it's off. You can't turn that off with Alexa, so I don't own one. I still don't see it as abuse, I just don't have a use for it.
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@quanin @Meepercat If you don't regard giving someone a camera that will collect sensitive images without their consent and distribute them without their consent, especially doing it to people who have little other recourse other than to put up with it as falling within that definition, I am not the one with the problem. That is an abuse of power. That is an abuse of trust. That is an abuse of the other person's vulnerability and relative lack of power.
@JustinMac84 @quanin @Meepercat where is this happening?
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@JustinMac84 @quanin @Meepercat where is this happening?
@J3317 If you look back through the thread, you will see I sent Kitty a link. The info is in that article. Since it forms a pattern of behaviour with other malpractice by tech companies, particularly Meta, I am wholeheartedly convinced, but, as I added, that represents an extreme example, even to share audio, video, images or data a user voluntarily collects beyond the parameter of their consent, I would argue, is abuse, esp if they know about it and feel powerless to escape
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@JustinMac84 @quanin @Meepercat where is this happening?
@J3317 I would share the link again, but I closed the window and can't easily find it. None of what I say is to detract from any other abuse Kitty or anyone else may have suffered though. If you're pushed from one form into another and prefer the latter form though, that doesn't make the latter form any less abuse.
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@JustinMac84 @quanin @Meepercat where is this happening?
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@DavidGoldfield Thank you. The same people though that condemn AI on social media which is for some reason the sexy thing to do in tech circles now probably use it to have 3000 cat pictures described, and you know what? That’s great, they should, but they shouldn’t talk out of both sides of their mouth.
@technocounselor @DavidGoldfield I like AI. I ask Gemini and Alexa stuff all the time. And really appreciat the describing and reading it can do.
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