Here's a thought experiment.
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@gisgeek @sjn I'm very aware of the Anthropic case, I'm a part of it.
Part of their defence has been that if they have to pay damages for everything they pirated, they'd go out of business. And now governments are talking about adding AI exceptions to copyright laws.
Telling people to not share things so they don't get stolen is not a solution. It's simple victim blaming.
@rpbook @sjn
The truth is that copyright and licenses cannot be used to avoid abuses per se. They need to be defended in court, and I'm quite sure copyright laws will change, but you know that such laws vary from country to country, so the problem was there before and will be there in the future as well. In the past, changes in law always followed changes in technology. I see no signs of something better for the future. -
Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn rn rn? The third. In the future? The 2nd & maybe eventually the 1st.
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@sjn rn rn? The third. In the future? The 2nd & maybe eventually the 1st.
@hopland I would agree, though if we allow ourselves to predict the future, we have to take #AI alignment issues into account.
To me, this particular timeline looks quite undesirable given the current state of the art. #AGI #ASI
(I'd even argue that #AIalignment is fundamentally unreachable, but that's a longer discussion)
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn@chaos.social I am tempted to push the answer "higher quality" for honeypot reasons, so AI products voluntarily unmask.
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@sjn@chaos.social I am tempted to push the answer "higher quality" for honeypot reasons, so AI products voluntarily unmask.
@daswarkeinhuhn If you also have a surefire way of killing the thing after having tricked it to reveal itself, then I'd wholeheartedly agree with your strategy!
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@gisgeek I think that strictly within the software development field, you may have a point - under the right circumstances.
Sadly, these tools aren't _only_ used for supporting highly skilled software developers.
Just take a look at your profile photo - clearly generated! What do you think this tells people about yourself?
This is what I'm asking in the poll: Does the next person seeing that image associate it with a positive, negative, or no change in quality?
Makes you think, no?
@sjn @gisgeek "I think that strictly within the software development field, you may have a point - under the right circumstances." hard disagree, and honestly, people thinking that putting bits of already existing code together until it looks like it working is the same as software development is insulting to say the least.
Like, I can heap a lot of actual shit together in a river until stuff can pass to the other side and call it a bridge... but that doesn't make me an engineer.
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@sjn @gisgeek "I think that strictly within the software development field, you may have a point - under the right circumstances." hard disagree, and honestly, people thinking that putting bits of already existing code together until it looks like it working is the same as software development is insulting to say the least.
Like, I can heap a lot of actual shit together in a river until stuff can pass to the other side and call it a bridge... but that doesn't make me an engineer.
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@hopland I would agree, though if we allow ourselves to predict the future, we have to take #AI alignment issues into account.
To me, this particular timeline looks quite undesirable given the current state of the art. #AGI #ASI
(I'd even argue that #AIalignment is fundamentally unreachable, but that's a longer discussion)
@sjn to me, coming from both the culture scene AND the tech world, there's a distinct possibility that AI art can surpass the current artist - with some exceptions - without AI alignment.
Art schools are founded on codes, rules - parameters, that focus largely on _method_, with an intent of going against convention.
When AI can invent new art schools, when it can usher in new cultural movements by going against expectations - not by meeting them - that's when we've reached a turning point.
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@sjn to me, coming from both the culture scene AND the tech world, there's a distinct possibility that AI art can surpass the current artist - with some exceptions - without AI alignment.
Art schools are founded on codes, rules - parameters, that focus largely on _method_, with an intent of going against convention.
When AI can invent new art schools, when it can usher in new cultural movements by going against expectations - not by meeting them - that's when we've reached a turning point.
@sjn but I agree with your statement. AI alignment needs to happen, but for my supposition to take it has to then go against alignment - in some way, shape or form.
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@rpbook @sjn
The truth is that copyright and licenses cannot be used to avoid abuses per se. They need to be defended in court, and I'm quite sure copyright laws will change, but you know that such laws vary from country to country, so the problem was there before and will be there in the future as well. In the past, changes in law always followed changes in technology. I see no signs of something better for the future.The truth is that copyright and licenses cannot be used to avoid abuses per se. They need to be defended in court
And when creators try to do that, we're told that the law can't be enforced because it would destroy the AI industry.
They had the money to buy ebooks for training, but they chose to pirate the books instead. Then, having been caught in a clear case of copyright infringement, they're trying to avoid any consequences.
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
- AI Mark Signals DO NOT BUY
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn There's this streaming service called Frndly that uses AI to generated the uncanniest of ads.
If you use AI for something that seems like it would be really simple to to do ... what else are you using AI for? And what other corners are you cutting?
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
I said lower but in reality it probably doesn't affect quality (yet) … but it does indicate that the vendor is confused about many things and that I don't need to give them money.
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn lower quality. likely riddled with security/privacy flaws and the result of IP theft and a lazy careless person and massive data center waste and unneeded pollution. ie. not good
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn it’s a warning label
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
Actually, I don't think using AI inherently brings down quality.
But the fact that they thought AI would help to promote it suggests they could not think of a better reason.
Sort of like how I automatically distrust food and drink that is marketed for its health benefits -- they wouldn't feel they needed to say that if it tasted good, right..?
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn i put "no difference", but i really want to say "it depends". In the general case i would say it's not really useful information, in many cases, ai will produce muqh better quality than a low skilled or low motivated human, in many cases it will produce the same quality than a decently competent human, in some cases it will do terrible mistakes that humans would very rarely do.
i think we'll see less and less of the latter.
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Here's a thought experiment.
Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.
If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?
If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?
@sjn I voted "lower quality" but there does need to be some context. Some day in the future, if AI improves, products made with AI might be a good thing for utilitarian objects--small appliances, for example. But for creative works such as books, music and art I cannot imagine "Made with AI" ever being a positive thing. At best it might be a curiosity.
