On the topic of software enshittification and AI upsell: I'm used to Chrome doing vile Google stuff, I'm used to stupid paid bookmarks in Firefox, but I'm scared by what Firefox has became.

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@nina_kali_nina At least webkit-gtk works on Linux, *BSD and Haiku for another alternative.

[sarraceniawilds@sunny.garden]

@nina_kali_nina i will engage in recreational personification of objects only exactly as i please. with googly eyes.
the chat with the thing stuff is just gross

[viss@mastodon.social]

@nina_kali_nina advertising.

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@nina_kali_nina The thing is, despite all of that, Firefox is still the best browser. That's honestly the saddest part of all. Everything else has gotten _so much worse_ that *being able to disable AI integration* (which you can do in Firefox) is somehow the best option.

[numerfolt@kirche.social]

@nina_kali_nina Yeah...

[cmyrland@tutoteket.no]

@nina_kali_nina I've switched from stock Firefox to Zen on desktop and F-droid Fennec on Android. All the old perks of Firefox, without ads and AI-shit.

[hi@romanzolotarev.com]

librewolf ported to #openbsd, so there is hope

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@lanodan is it still alright?

[mlen@social.hackerspace.pl]

@nina_kali_nina "Chat with this tab"—statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@nina_kali_nina As far as I know yeah, and very unlikely to get weirdo integrations like AI stuff as it's made as a library.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@witix @chiraag @librewolf nod nod, I'm mostly on LibreWolf myself, but it requires more than two clicks to install on obscure systems, so I felt like installing Firefox to look up a thing is not going to hurt me much. I was wrong lol

But also, if IT folks are out of options, everyone else is cooked, getting used to whatever google gives them as a browser

[jbeiapc@mastodon.social]

@nina_kali_nina I think if foundations and non-profits apply standard growth models that apply to businesses, which I think is the non-evil - at least initially - justification, that is why. It can be slow and steady or faster and enshittified. Although, that's not tacit approval on my part, and I think there is a grey area in the middle, & exceptions, but "it works. How can we maintain/grow/promote" is how it starts.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@hi there's a NetBSD port as well. But it takes a bit of effort to build from sources; I don't think there are binaries just yet. It is still quite upsetting that upstream is not great

[kingocounty@exquisite.social]

@nina_kali_nina I'm really hoping something good comes out of Servo in the not-too-distant future

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@kingocounty I've been using it little by little since 0.1.0 builds, as it stopped crashing for my frequently visited websites. I am worried about its future because of the LLVM/Rust politics, but otherwise I'm hopeful

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@witix @nina_kali_nina @librewolf Right...which ultimately depends on Firefox. If Firefox dies, those forks probably die as well. And they are harder to maintain than Firefox b/c of (wo)manpower.

So yeah, I could use a fork. But they can only exist *because* Firefox gives the options.

[hsza@social.tudbut.de]

@nina_kali_nina introducing: librewolf

do not confine yourself to upstream fireslop just because your distro defaults to it

[feeblu@donotsta.re]

@witix @nina_kali_nina @chiraag @librewolf Waterfox works perfectly.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@feeblu @librewolf @chiraag @witix on some OSes, yes. It is still made mostly by a single person, and very niche.

[sberson@app.wafrn.net]

@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

As others have already stated - the privacy hardened forks like Waterfox, Librewolf, Mullvad - all offer good options. For OpenBSD & NetBSD these might required you to create your own build though. But on my Debian installs one of the first things I do is remove Firefox & install both Waterfox and Helium (which is a new privacy hardened Chromium based browser).