On the topic of software enshittification and AI upsell: I'm used to Chrome doing vile Google stuff, I'm used to stupid paid bookmarks in Firefox, but I'm scared by what Firefox has became.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

On the topic of software enshittification and AI upsell: I'm used to Chrome doing vile Google stuff, I'm used to stupid paid bookmarks in Firefox, but I'm scared by what Firefox has became. I run Debian-oldstable, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and in all of them Firefox has clickbait links in new tabs and "AI search" and the likes. The one shipped with Debian also spooked me with "Chat with this tab". How did we end up here 🥲

Edit: yes, by all means, use good forks, and encourage others to use good forks, but don't forget that most people won't use a fork, and thus it is important to keep pushing for upstream to be good and ethical

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@nina_kali_nina At least webkit-gtk works on Linux, *BSD and Haiku for another alternative.

[sarraceniawilds@sunny.garden]

@nina_kali_nina i will engage in recreational personification of objects only exactly as i please. with googly eyes.
the chat with the thing stuff is just gross

[viss@mastodon.social]

@nina_kali_nina advertising.

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@nina_kali_nina The thing is, despite all of that, Firefox is still the best browser. That's honestly the saddest part of all. Everything else has gotten _so much worse_ that *being able to disable AI integration* (which you can do in Firefox) is somehow the best option.

[numerfolt@kirche.social]

@nina_kali_nina Yeah...

[cmyrland@tutoteket.no]

@nina_kali_nina I've switched from stock Firefox to Zen on desktop and F-droid Fennec on Android. All the old perks of Firefox, without ads and AI-shit.

[hi@romanzolotarev.com]

librewolf ported to #openbsd, so there is hope

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@lanodan is it still alright?

[mlen@social.hackerspace.pl]

@nina_kali_nina "Chat with this tab"—statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@nina_kali_nina As far as I know yeah, and very unlikely to get weirdo integrations like AI stuff as it's made as a library.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@witix @chiraag @librewolf nod nod, I'm mostly on LibreWolf myself, but it requires more than two clicks to install on obscure systems, so I felt like installing Firefox to look up a thing is not going to hurt me much. I was wrong lol

But also, if IT folks are out of options, everyone else is cooked, getting used to whatever google gives them as a browser

[jbeiapc@mastodon.social]

@nina_kali_nina I think if foundations and non-profits apply standard growth models that apply to businesses, which I think is the non-evil - at least initially - justification, that is why. It can be slow and steady or faster and enshittified. Although, that's not tacit approval on my part, and I think there is a grey area in the middle, & exceptions, but "it works. How can we maintain/grow/promote" is how it starts.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@hi there's a NetBSD port as well. But it takes a bit of effort to build from sources; I don't think there are binaries just yet. It is still quite upsetting that upstream is not great

[kingocounty@exquisite.social]

@nina_kali_nina I'm really hoping something good comes out of Servo in the not-too-distant future

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@kingocounty I've been using it little by little since 0.1.0 builds, as it stopped crashing for my frequently visited websites. I am worried about its future because of the LLVM/Rust politics, but otherwise I'm hopeful

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@witix @nina_kali_nina @librewolf Right...which ultimately depends on Firefox. If Firefox dies, those forks probably die as well. And they are harder to maintain than Firefox b/c of (wo)manpower.

So yeah, I could use a fork. But they can only exist *because* Firefox gives the options.

[hsza@social.tudbut.de]

@nina_kali_nina introducing: librewolf

do not confine yourself to upstream fireslop just because your distro defaults to it

[feeblu@donotsta.re]

@witix @nina_kali_nina @chiraag @librewolf Waterfox works perfectly.

[nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt]

@feeblu @librewolf @chiraag @witix on some OSes, yes. It is still made mostly by a single person, and very niche.