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Non-binary people do not owe you androgyny.

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  • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

    Non-binary people do not owe you androgyny.

    nausipoule@mamot.frN This user is from outside of this forum
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    @babe and people dont owe you anything either.
    Gender is a performance. If you look completely fem then people wil say fem and that's that.

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    • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

      Non-binary people do not owe you androgyny.

      jadedtwin@corteximplant.comJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #18

      @babe internalized gender != outward expression.

      The existence of the phrase "tomboy" expressly implies that an individual can identify as a woman, but is outwardly seen as masculine or even male. This logic applies to all genders or lack thereof.

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      • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

        Non-binary people do not owe you androgyny.

        0@corteximplant.com0 This user is from outside of this forum
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        @babe approvingly nods at the fellow gender-fucker

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          @babe approvingly nods at the fellow gender-fucker

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          @0 Love too fuck a gender

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            @Nausipoule @babe People absolutely do owe them basic respect, which means making an effort to gender them correctly. Also, speaking from experience, there is no gender presentation that will make people gender nonbinary people correctly by default, especially if we use gender neutral pronouns. There's no "looking nonbinary" in the sense that people will see you and go "Ah yes, they/them", which is one of the reasons it's so important to ask (or check bios online).

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            • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB bathyspherehat@mastodon.online

              @Nausipoule @babe People absolutely do owe them basic respect, which means making an effort to gender them correctly. Also, speaking from experience, there is no gender presentation that will make people gender nonbinary people correctly by default, especially if we use gender neutral pronouns. There's no "looking nonbinary" in the sense that people will see you and go "Ah yes, they/them", which is one of the reasons it's so important to ask (or check bios online).

              bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Nausipoule @babe Even if such a presentation existed, it wouldn't be accessible to all nonbinary people, because we can't fully control how we look. And even if we could, it's possible and completely ok to be nonbinary and not want to look completely androgynous.

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              • neckspike@indiepocalypse.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Nausipoule @babe Did you know? Keeping your transphobic thoughts to yourself is free.

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                • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Nausipoule @babe You're doing lateral transphobia, though. Being trans doesn't absolve you of exorsexism. But ok, nonbinary doesn't exist in our (mainstream) culture, making passing as nonbinary impossible. How is that "on us"? Nonbinary people don't choose the cultures we're born into.

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                  • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB bathyspherehat@mastodon.online

                    @Nausipoule @babe You're doing lateral transphobia, though. Being trans doesn't absolve you of exorsexism. But ok, nonbinary doesn't exist in our (mainstream) culture, making passing as nonbinary impossible. How is that "on us"? Nonbinary people don't choose the cultures we're born into.

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                    #25

                    @Nausipoule Also, I'd like to point out that @babe has their pronouns in their bio. They're signaling how you should refer to them about as clearly as they can, unless you expect them to make it their display name.

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                    • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #26

                      @Nausipoule Are you, a trans girl, pretending that you don't know what the word "transphobia" means?

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                      • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                        And if you come at me with shit like "but I see you as..." you'll very quickly not be seeing me at all.

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                        @babe I see you as an infosec blogger and lawyer

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                        • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB bathyspherehat@mastodon.online

                          @Nausipoule Also, I'd like to point out that @babe has their pronouns in their bio. They're signaling how you should refer to them about as clearly as they can, unless you expect them to make it their display name.

                          sng@bsd.networkS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @babe @BathysphereHat I’m just here to instantly smack follow on anybody who uses “Rabbit Cohen” cause that’s peak Jewish humor.

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                            @Nausipoule Again, how do you pass as nonbinary?

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                            • sng@bsd.networkS sng@bsd.network

                              @babe @BathysphereHat I’m just here to instantly smack follow on anybody who uses “Rabbit Cohen” cause that’s peak Jewish humor.

                              bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @sng @babe Oh, it's also my actual name! But thank you, haha.

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                              • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @Nausipoule Ohh, so you're a radfem. Got it. Cool. Cool cool cool.

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                                • bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB bathyspherehat@mastodon.online

                                  @sng @babe Oh, it's also my actual name! But thank you, haha.

                                  sng@bsd.networkS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @babe @BathysphereHat In that case it is possibly the coolest name ever.

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                                  • sng@bsd.networkS sng@bsd.network

                                    @babe @BathysphereHat In that case it is possibly the coolest name ever.

                                    bathyspherehat@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @sng @babe Thanks! 😄

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                                    • jason@logoff.websiteJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @Nausipoule @babe this is bot-level flamebait. Just devoid of mind. Imagine being like this and not doing anything about it (ideally the this but maybe the being).

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                                      • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                                        I don't give a shit how much it confuses people that my aesthetic is feminine, it doesn't in any way invalidate my internal sense about who and what I am.

                                        jason@logoff.websiteJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @babe the replies to this by that one person are fucking wild, what the fuck. This doesn’t seem particularly controversial but 🤷

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                                        • jason@logoff.websiteJ jason@logoff.website

                                          @babe the replies to this by that one person are fucking wild, what the fuck. This doesn’t seem particularly controversial but 🤷

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                                          @jason Honestly it's not anything I haven't heard a thousand times.
                                          Any post about being non-binary taking off is bound to catch the odd rad fem theory. Credit to @BathysphereHat for countering it so calmly, I'd have just said fuck off

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