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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

    Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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    @randahl

    It's a shame tide power has been rather the laggard, as blockading the moon's gravity isn't much of a risk.

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    • cottoncandyandrazorblades@ohai.socialC cottoncandyandrazorblades@ohai.social

      @randahl Also wind turbines don't sink/catch on fire and cause mass environmental damage

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      @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl they do very occasionally catch on fire, but whatevs!

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      • sleepy62@social.vivaldi.netS sleepy62@social.vivaldi.net

        @chris @randahl

        Like saying the Iran war will cause a shortage of jerrycans...

        Its amazing to me how many people confuse the energy with the generator.

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        @sleepy62 @randahl when one system is alll you know….

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        • curtadams@urbanists.socialC curtadams@urbanists.social

          @chris @randahl Also ignoring there's an entire ocean of alternatives to the Straits of Malacca - somewhat longer, but quite viable, unlike the Persian Gulf with only one way out.

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          @CurtAdams @randahl indeed

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          • lackattack@mastodon.socialL lackattack@mastodon.social

            @chris @randahl My thoughts are with those photon tanker crews. Godspeed, heroes. Hope that strait opens soon. I need my EV gas!!!

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            @lackattack @randahl ong can I boost this 100 times? 🙂

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            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

              Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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              @randahl Wind, solar, hydro, batteries, tend to be a bit more spread out and usually provide a bit of redundancy because they are a bit more decentralised. Which is handy if another country starts blowing your stuff up.

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              • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl they do very occasionally catch on fire, but whatevs!

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                @DamonHD @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl
                Wind turbines don’t cause massive environmental damage if and when they do catch fire.

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                • kimsj@mastodon.socialK kimsj@mastodon.social

                  @DamonHD @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl
                  Wind turbines don’t cause massive environmental damage if and when they do catch fire.

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                  @KimSJ @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl indeed not! I am a big renewables fan.

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                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                    Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                    X: The wind is not always blowing.
                    Me: The wind is always blowing somewhere.
                    X: Yes, but if we need the energy here then we need to transport this energy.
                    Me: So?
                    X: It is expensive to transport energy, it is inefficient, and it makes you dependent on the cooperation of other countries.
                    Me: And where is the oil from the gas station coming from?
                    X: Eh....
                    Me: And how much energy is used to transport all this oil?
                    X: Eh...

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                    • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                      @chris @randahl

                      Oil and natural gas provide feed stocks for much more than just diesel and petrol.

                      sour crude extracted in the region is a primary source of sulfur. sulfur is a feed stock for sulfuric acid. Sulfuric acid is a chemical that’s used to extract and refine copper, nickel, cobalt, and lithium. Oil is an input to a lot of products.

                      Natural gas and sulfur are also feed stocks for fertilizer.

                      The global supply chain is the risk

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                      @GhostOnTheHalfShell @randahl yes. “Non energy use” of oil is about 15% of the total 100 million barrels a day. It’s 12% of NG use. But the reason it is a global tool of blackmail and war is the other 85% which can be replaced by renewables and different ways of doing things.

                      Let’s stay focused on the main problem here. Which is the burning of fossil fuels.

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                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                        Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                        @randahl@mastodon.social

                        If only there were energy storage technologies to take one day's excess-generation and make it available for days where there's a generation-shortfall.

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                          @randahl I don't think they "realized" it at all. They certainly experienced it, but I doubt they have made the connection at all.

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                          • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                            Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                            @randahl but you can nuke Iran away and have the straight flushed. You can't nuke your turbines /Sarcasm

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                            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                              Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                              @randahl No. No they didn't.

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                              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                                @randahl I feel alternative energy is Europe’s path to energy independence.

                                But for wind, how are the dips in wind strength managed? I’ve always wondered.

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                                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                  Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                                  @randahl good one

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                                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                    Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                                    @randahl And people who object to wealth taxes still want their investment properties protecting from cruise missiles.

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                                    • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                                      @GhostOnTheHalfShell @randahl yes. “Non energy use” of oil is about 15% of the total 100 million barrels a day. It’s 12% of NG use. But the reason it is a global tool of blackmail and war is the other 85% which can be replaced by renewables and different ways of doing things.

                                      Let’s stay focused on the main problem here. Which is the burning of fossil fuels.

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                                      @chris @randahl

                                      If you don’t have feed stocks, eg sulfur or methane, you don’t have the global economy.

                                      alternatives cost a lot more. After 20 or so iterations, 90% recycling you’re down to 10% of that resource.

                                      We burn fossil fuels in order to destroy the planet. Swapping to renewables is still destroying the planet.

                                      The different way of doing things is to re-localize economies and stop destroying the planet with a global economy

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                                      • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                                        @chris @randahl

                                        If you don’t have feed stocks, eg sulfur or methane, you don’t have the global economy.

                                        alternatives cost a lot more. After 20 or so iterations, 90% recycling you’re down to 10% of that resource.

                                        We burn fossil fuels in order to destroy the planet. Swapping to renewables is still destroying the planet.

                                        The different way of doing things is to re-localize economies and stop destroying the planet with a global economy

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                                        @GhostOnTheHalfShell @randahl agreed!

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                                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                          Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.

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                                          @randahl
                                          People have forgotten how to think, or perhaps never knew how to think.

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