Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
@randahl It's a shame that in 2026 an old man attacked two countries for oil related reasons.
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@randahl To be fair, wind turbines doesn't work when the winds are blowing too hard either.
They need "goldilocks-winds"
@martenbjorklund @randahl not really. They need anything from a light wind to just below hurricane. And when the wind isn't blowing, there's often sun, and when there's neither, grid-scale batteries are viable and cheap nowadays. (And that's not to include the parts of the world where thermal or hydroelectric or hydro storage or tidal generation is possible.)
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@randahl The real problem is that wind turbines are not a substitute for fossil energy.
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
@randahl Also wind turbines don't sink/catch on fire and cause mass environmental damage
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Oil and natural gas provide feed stocks for much more than just diesel and petrol.
sour crude extracted in the region is a primary source of sulfur. sulfur is a feed stock for sulfuric acid. Sulfuric acid is a chemical that’s used to extract and refine copper, nickel, cobalt, and lithium. Oil is an input to a lot of products.
Natural gas and sulfur are also feed stocks for fertilizer.
The global supply chain is the risk
@GhostOnTheHalfShell
Sulphur can be mined from geological deposits, it is a naturally occurring element. Taking it from oil is a choice.
Similar for fertilizer. Can be taken from natural products if we just do more on (re)use. But no, being wasteful is still cheaper in the short run.
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@randahl The real problem is that wind turbines are not a substitute for fossil energy.
@Globob @randahl
> that wind turbines are not a substituteAdd to this solar and in tandem they are. You can even fill up a tank of the combustion engine car with them. [1][2][3].
In Europe we have enough materials dumped to landfills as waste to build a storage facility with a capacity of over 1 TWh storage. Perpetual batteries technology that is (was) with us for more than 100 years. Was because they unearthed research from early forties of the past century that hinted them how to cripplle those batteries using Ca, Sn, and Al additives since 1975 or so (when the first oil prices peak endangered their bottom).
[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7970114/ (open) CO₂ -> CH₄
[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-023-01314-8 (paywalled) CO₂ -> C₃H₈
[3] https://deltaliquidenergy.com/turning-the-tide-on-co2-emissions-the-path-to-renewable-propane/ [abstract of above] -
Well, yes, no. It is stupid to burn a resource like this, but the stupidity comes from building an economy in this case of global supply chain that exists by eating the planet. It’s built on destroying some other part of the world for the benefit of a tiny few people.
The other way to look at it is that it is a particular choice of economic pathway which temporarily can benefit people, but it is designed to consume the planet and people
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @chris @randahl We are of the same opinion.If humankind and all other life is seen as having a worth. You think twice (times 1000) about ruining it.
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
It's a shame tide power has been rather the laggard, as blockading the moon's gravity isn't much of a risk.
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@randahl Also wind turbines don't sink/catch on fire and cause mass environmental damage
@CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl they do very occasionally catch on fire, but whatevs!
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@CurtAdams @randahl indeed
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@lackattack @randahl ong can I boost this 100 times?
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
@randahl Wind, solar, hydro, batteries, tend to be a bit more spread out and usually provide a bit of redundancy because they are a bit more decentralised. Which is handy if another country starts blowing your stuff up.
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@CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl they do very occasionally catch on fire, but whatevs!
@DamonHD @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl
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@DamonHD @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl
Wind turbines don’t cause massive environmental damage if and when they do catch fire.@KimSJ @CottonCandyandRazorblades @randahl indeed not! I am a big renewables fan.
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
X: The wind is not always blowing.
Me: The wind is always blowing somewhere.
X: Yes, but if we need the energy here then we need to transport this energy.
Me: So?
X: It is expensive to transport energy, it is inefficient, and it makes you dependent on the cooperation of other countries.
Me: And where is the oil from the gas station coming from?
X: Eh....
Me: And how much energy is used to transport all this oil?
X: Eh... -
Oil and natural gas provide feed stocks for much more than just diesel and petrol.
sour crude extracted in the region is a primary source of sulfur. sulfur is a feed stock for sulfuric acid. Sulfuric acid is a chemical that’s used to extract and refine copper, nickel, cobalt, and lithium. Oil is an input to a lot of products.
Natural gas and sulfur are also feed stocks for fertilizer.
The global supply chain is the risk
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @randahl yes. “Non energy use” of oil is about 15% of the total 100 million barrels a day. It’s 12% of NG use. But the reason it is a global tool of blackmail and war is the other 85% which can be replaced by renewables and different ways of doing things.
Let’s stay focused on the main problem here. Which is the burning of fossil fuels.
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Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
@randahl@mastodon.social
If only there were energy storage technologies to take one day's excess-generation and make it available for days where there's a generation-shortfall. -
Those who keep complaining that wind turbines do not work when the winds are not blowing, just realized that oil does not work when the Hormuz Strait is not open.
@randahl I don't think they "realized" it at all. They certainly experienced it, but I doubt they have made the connection at all.
