I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

[kejster@mastodon.world]

@jwildeboer @tante Same here. Autonomy is a much better term.

[mediocreman@mastodon.social]

@tante

Tante, thanks for that interesting, and worrying, perspective. A good idea high-jacked by the undesirables.

[datenwolf@chaos.social]

@kejster @jwildeboer @tante

It's also a lot more accurate (IMHO) with respect to what the actual goals are/should be.

[heliograph@mastodon.au]

@tante it had real meaning to it you know, nothing imperialistic but a distinct position already described

[skyglobe@hostux.social]

@jwildeboer @tante I was thinking about "digital indipendence" but then I thought about the right wing militias and the whole prepper movement.

[nilz@norden.social]

@tante @jwildeboer

Fascists will adopt whatever terms we use.

So, maybe we should always add, to every term, the word: "antifascist"

We want antifascist digital souvereignity.

[danielscardoso@scholar.social]

I usually see it used as "data sovereignty", in the sense of material control over data. Thanks for the new insight!

[hamishcampbell@mastodon.social]

@tante its mess we do need to practically compost https://hamishcampbell.com/digital-sovereignty-is-more-mess-we-need-to-compost/

[davidgerard@circumstances.run]

@tante yeah, I can't see it without thinking of the crypto guy usage of the term

[hadon@mastodon.social]

@tante

It's not a right-wing term, it is a legal term.

[hadon@mastodon.social]

@jwildeboer @tante

Well, for what I understand, sovereignty and autonomy are not equivalent.
Sovereignty is a more legal sort of term and stronger than autonomy. Autonomy is part of sovereignty but the opposite is not true. I mean, in order to attain sovereignty you need autonomy, it defines it.

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[tante@tldr.nettime.org]

@hadon it's both

[ebel@moytura.org]

@tante lots of brexit campaining in the UK was about “sovereignty”

[lyrial@transfem.social]

@tante@tldr.nettime.org I think it can be salvaged, simply by copy-left projects ignoring fascists. The sad, part, though is that there are way too many Nazi OSS projects out there

[fabio@zirk.us]

@tante I think it's more than just the term. Replacing American corporations with corporations of a different nationality is not a progressive project. That's what the liberal elites mean when they say "digital sovereignty" and it's fully compatible with fascist concepts of sovereignty.

[beandreams@friendhole.social]

@tante It's a real bummer, because another big use of the term is in Indigenous data sovereignty, where "sovereignty" has a long-running anti-colonial meaning and denotes some very good technology governance principles

[siroj42@troet.cafe]

@tante I've been thinking the same. Digital sovereignty as a term is also very amenable to becoming digital campism, where technologies are preferred just because they are from the EU. Also this: https://troet.cafe/@Siroj42/116080748677182334
Whether it's the sovereignty of a king or "the people", I'd prefer a world without it!

[bsdphk@fosstodon.org]

@tante

I insist on calling it "Digital self-determination" for that and other reasons.

[mxalba@blahaj.zone]

@tante@tldr.nettime.org

Would digital independence be better?

[computersandblues@post.lurk.org]

@tante this isn't just about words and terms though, is it? if there's a perceived threat and the nation state is the legitimate sovereign, the response most likely becomes nationalist. if the logic of global trade gets shaken and the organizational units are nation states, the response very easily becomes nationalist.