I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
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@tante I also played with "digital sustainability" but ultimately autonomy feels better. It is a bit more aggressive, especially in Germany with their history of Autonome, which I find a good thing, actually. And in German Digitale Souveränität always sounded "gestelzt" to me.
@jwildeboer There is not one concept that the German language can not make sound very "gestelzt"
And I agree: Using more terms that conservative Germany feels icky with is probably a good thing. -
I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
Weitere rechtspopulistische Begriffe sind demnach: Freiheit, Wettbewerb, Eigenverantwortung, Versorgung, Open Source, Datenschutz, (informationelle) Selbstbestimmung.
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Weitere rechtspopulistische Begriffe sind demnach: Freiheit, Wettbewerb, Eigenverantwortung, Versorgung, Open Source, Datenschutz, (informationelle) Selbstbestimmung.
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@Anders_S when it was funded I was arguing that adopting that term was a long-term mistake - regardless of all the good that the STA does.
(The STA is not "the state" even though the state provides its funding)
@tante I get that STA is not the state per se but the ones that provides the money has the power. And I agree with you about the word. It's not as problematic in swedish though.
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
@tante I for one am very sad to see this beautiful word die such a horrific death but am also accepting the reality of propaganda
️ a hundred years ago they vandalised an innocent sun symbol, so this is just a continuation of the same tragedy -
@tante I am slowly moving towards saying digital autonomy instead. Which is more applicable than sovereignty, as that term is more geared towards states/governments, whereas autonomy applies to people, groups, companies and authorities.
@jwildeboer @tante Same here. Autonomy is a much better term.
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
Tante, thanks for that interesting, and worrying, perspective. A good idea high-jacked by the undesirables.
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@jwildeboer @tante Same here. Autonomy is a much better term.
It's also a lot more accurate (IMHO) with respect to what the actual goals are/should be.
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@tante I for one am very sad to see this beautiful word die such a horrific death but am also accepting the reality of propaganda
️ a hundred years ago they vandalised an innocent sun symbol, so this is just a continuation of the same tragedy@tante it had real meaning to it you know, nothing imperialistic but a distinct position already described
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@tante I am slowly moving towards saying digital autonomy instead. Which is more applicable than sovereignty, as that term is more geared towards states/governments, whereas autonomy applies to people, groups, companies and authorities.
@jwildeboer @tante I was thinking about "digital indipendence" but then I thought about the right wing militias and the whole prepper movement.
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@jwildeboer There is not one concept that the German language can not make sound very "gestelzt"
And I agree: Using more terms that conservative Germany feels icky with is probably a good thing.Fascists will adopt whatever terms we use.
So, maybe we should always add, to every term, the word: "antifascist"
We want antifascist digital souvereignity.
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
I usually see it used as "data sovereignty", in the sense of material control over data. Thanks for the new insight!
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
@tante its mess we do need to practically compost https://hamishcampbell.com/digital-sovereignty-is-more-mess-we-need-to-compost/
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
@tante yeah, I can't see it without thinking of the crypto guy usage of the term
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
It's not a right-wing term, it is a legal term.
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@tante I am slowly moving towards saying digital autonomy instead. Which is more applicable than sovereignty, as that term is more geared towards states/governments, whereas autonomy applies to people, groups, companies and authorities.
Well, for what I understand, sovereignty and autonomy are not equivalent.
Sovereignty is a more legal sort of term and stronger than autonomy. Autonomy is part of sovereignty but the opposite is not true. I mean, in order to attain sovereignty you need autonomy, it defines it. -
It's not a right-wing term, it is a legal term.
@hadon it's both
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
@tante lots of brexit campaining in the UK was about “sovereignty”
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I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.
The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".
Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.
@tante@tldr.nettime.org I think it can be salvaged, simply by copy-left projects ignoring fascists. The sad, part, though is that there are way too many Nazi OSS projects out there
