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A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    @hwll I hear you. I have multiple IRL acquaintances who have paid Substack newsletters 💔

    hamishcampbell@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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    #13

    @_elena @hwll

    To be more useful I would point at the need to boycott #dotcons in general, yes use one as an example, but the bigger evil matters more than the individual evil.

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    • mndflayr@metalhead.clubM mndflayr@metalhead.club

      @stiiin @jwildeboer @_elena @codebuzz

      "even if it's "only" one fascist"

      It isn't. SS (thanks for the abbreviation 😁) is full of those.
      Tate is only one of many, and it has been a problem for a long time with SS suppoti that kind of people.

      stiiin@infosec.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #14

      @mndflayr I'm aware. My point was that, even if the guy's initial assumption would be correct, his general insistence to be tolerant of the intolerant makes things worse.

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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

        We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

        No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

        There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

        bit@ohai.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #15

        @_elena This is funny to me. I have been boycotting substack for the longest time, almost since its inception, but for a completely different reason. I hate that they mess with the scrollbar style, or they used to, I haven't seen their page in so long I don't know anymore. They used to have this single pixel wide scrollbar, that was just useless trendy designer bs. And I was pissed. To me any company that prioritizes stupid design decisions over utility gets the boot. Looking at you too apple.

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

          We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

          No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

          There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

          naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #16

          @_elena Please be aware that we have an #EuropeanAlternative based in Germany: #Steady - https://steady.page
          I use them for years and am very satisfied, great for EU-conform invoices.
          Like Patreon and other services where you can also earn money, of course, they also take a fee (only) on paid subscriptions.

          The problem why so many people don't leave Substack: They get new readers from the platform. The smaller the platform, the fewer readers you get

          #newsletter #blogging #journalism

          naturemc@mastodon.onlineN _elena@mastodon.social_ niklaskorz@rheinneckar.socialN earwigplanet@mastodon.socialE 4 Replies Last reply
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          • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

            @_elena Please be aware that we have an #EuropeanAlternative based in Germany: #Steady - https://steady.page
            I use them for years and am very satisfied, great for EU-conform invoices.
            Like Patreon and other services where you can also earn money, of course, they also take a fee (only) on paid subscriptions.

            The problem why so many people don't leave Substack: They get new readers from the platform. The smaller the platform, the fewer readers you get

            #newsletter #blogging #journalism

            naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #17

            @_elena 2/2 directly from them. But let’s not kid ourselves: Substack's algorithms favour the stars. And they, in turn, might as well launch their own platforms, as their fans follow them everywhere. So there’s no reason not to give an alternative a try.

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

              We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

              No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

              There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

              torithom@theforkiverse.comT This user is from outside of this forum
              torithom@theforkiverse.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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              #18

              @_elena and isn't the situation with Substack such that you can migrate your profile to a different platform rather than starting over? I still think platform migration fatigue is not given enough credit for being a legitimate excuse, but sticking to platforms that can migrate is a good idea.

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              • hamishcampbell@mastodon.socialH hamishcampbell@mastodon.social

                @_elena @hwll

                To be more useful I would point at the need to boycott #dotcons in general, yes use one as an example, but the bigger evil matters more than the individual evil.

                torithom@theforkiverse.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #19

                @hamishcampbell the thing I am curious about though is companies starting off as nice and then changing into #dotcons when they get bigger as people flock there when boycotting another platform that isn't nice anymore. What's the best protection against this never ending situation which potentially disperses and weakens communities?

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                • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                  @codebuzz It’s not just one misogynistic guy or just one fascist. It’s also the publicly expressed support by the leadership of Substack to be open to these people. @_elena has my full support for calling them out on this.

                  jaypeach53@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #20

                  @jwildeboer @codebuzz @_elena @codebuzz sounds like a fascist enabler.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                    We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                    No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                    There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                    melomario@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #21

                    @_elena I made the change recently and decided to self-host. Besides endorsing these blogs the reading experience was a mess and was getting worse everyday.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                      We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                      No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                      There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                      veza85ue@eupolicy.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #22

                      @_elena Ahem.

                      Veza85UE (@Veza85UE@eupolicy.social)

                      Peter Sloterdijk could never. (I'm serious though, bring this man to the fediverse, his PeerTube would be 🔥.)

                      favicon

                      EUpolicy.social - A Mastodon server for the EU bubble (eupolicy.social)

                      (Non-zero chance that if someone contacts him and pitches PeerTube and Ghost as 🇪🇺 Sovereignty he'll give it a go, lol.)

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                        We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                        No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                        There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                        atlovato@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #23

                        @_elena - Musk's X is headed in that direction.

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                          We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                          No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                          There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                          cassandra_complex@beige.partyC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #24

                          @_elena
                          I still side-eye those who post to Substack. There's just a non-zero chance that they think my rights to exist without violence or discrimination isn't important the way their newsletters are.

                          I don't follow Substack links, it feels like the digital equivalent to wandering down the alleyway with a hate group meeting every few doors and hoping to come out the other side without them noticing me.

                          It's uncomfortable knowing a few posts down, someone is questioning whether I should be forcibly put in a conversion camp or some shit. Or outright calling for driving people like me out of their community.

                          The responses made by Substack definitely haven't helped any in making me think I'm welcome as their audience unless I want to put myself in a position to see horrendous "takes" like "God needs to smite these [slurs]."

                          TL;DR: I consider Substack to basically be a digital sundown town. No thanks, I'll go where I'm welcome.

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                            We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                            No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                            There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                            pattykimura@beige.partyP This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #25

                            @_elena I believe "Tate" is correctly pronounced "Taint".

                            I avoid reading Substack for this reason. It would be nice if the writers who rightly decry the empowerment of fascism and its targeting of the vulnerable weren't using the same site that explicitly does just that.

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                            • torithom@theforkiverse.comT torithom@theforkiverse.com

                              @_elena and isn't the situation with Substack such that you can migrate your profile to a different platform rather than starting over? I still think platform migration fatigue is not given enough credit for being a legitimate excuse, but sticking to platforms that can migrate is a good idea.

                              _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #26

                              @Torithom ABSOLUTELY!

                              I had 2 Substack newsletters years ago and I simply exported my subscriber list and moved to Ghost. It took a few minutes. Easy peasy. That's why I say there are ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSES.

                              Ghost even offers a free concierge service for moving subscribers (incl. paid) off of Substack: https://ghost.org/move-to-ghost/

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                              • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                                @_elena Please be aware that we have an #EuropeanAlternative based in Germany: #Steady - https://steady.page
                                I use them for years and am very satisfied, great for EU-conform invoices.
                                Like Patreon and other services where you can also earn money, of course, they also take a fee (only) on paid subscriptions.

                                The problem why so many people don't leave Substack: They get new readers from the platform. The smaller the platform, the fewer readers you get

                                #newsletter #blogging #journalism

                                _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #27

                                @NatureMC thank you for this! I remember seeing posts a while back about how new free subscribers on Substack looked like bots... something that helped the reputation of the company ("grow your network!")... I need to find the links to this

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                                • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                                  @_elena Please be aware that we have an #EuropeanAlternative based in Germany: #Steady - https://steady.page
                                  I use them for years and am very satisfied, great for EU-conform invoices.
                                  Like Patreon and other services where you can also earn money, of course, they also take a fee (only) on paid subscriptions.

                                  The problem why so many people don't leave Substack: They get new readers from the platform. The smaller the platform, the fewer readers you get

                                  #newsletter #blogging #journalism

                                  niklaskorz@rheinneckar.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #28

                                  @NatureMC @_elena Looks interesting, thanks for sharing! A bit unfortunate that they only offer payout through Paypal though.

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                                    We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                                    No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                                    There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                                    msmamet@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #29

                                    @_elena Ghost is the one I'd push hardest on that list. I moved my practice blog there about a year ago - setup is straightforward, you own your subscriber list outright, and the SEO tooling is solid enough that I stopped needing a separate layer on top. The one honest caveat: the theme customization requires comfort with code. For most writers though, the defaults are good enough to ship immediately.

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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                                      We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                                      No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                                      There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                                      synthyx@social.vivaldi.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #30

                                      @_elena

                                      If I had a nickel for every time I see the word facist or nazi on mastodon or bluesky I could probably buy a new car. Can we stop throwing around the same two words??

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                                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                        A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                                        We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                                        No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                                        There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                                        ronan@mastodon.ronandev.ovhR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #31

                                        @_elena I‘ve just replaced a Substack link with the same article posted on Medium

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                                          We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                                          No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                                          There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                                          curmudgeon@sfba.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #32

                                          @_elena Yeah, I'm not happy about Nazi's, racists, etc. on Substack, but they also have Rick Wilson, HCR, Joyce Vance, and other fine progressives - some of the most important Antifa voices of this generation. I'll pass on the boycott. Let others see what Andrew Tate is all about. That's what we call free speech.

                                          mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM benroyce@mastodon.socialB 2 Replies Last reply
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