A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.
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@jwildeboer @codebuzz @_elena @codebuzz sounds like a fascist enabler.
@jaypeach53 I was thinking generic troll, but why not both? @jwildeboer @codebuzz @_elena
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"Rick Wilson, HCR, Joyce Vance"
We convince them to move
"That's what we call free speech"
Speech intended to limit the freedoms of those who are women, nonwhite, trans, gay, nonChristian, people with disabilities, etc is not free speech
How do you define speech against freedom as free speech?
@benroyce You are more generous than I am. The writers on Substack who made a name for themselves as antifascists should know better. Period. I have no use for people like that. Put your money where your mouth is.
It's disappointing, because there's a lot of people I've had to write off, but the eighth grader in me learning about propaganda during the Holocaust just *can't*.
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The blocker that is preventing writers from moving away from Substack is not technical migration issues, it's that they can reasonably expect their audience growth to stalll or even reverse when they leave the platform. Substack is good at cross-promoting, just as Medium or Tumblr were back in their day.
We don't have to like Substack to recognize this fact. I loathe the company for its Medium-esque hostile dark pattern-laden design, even before we discuss the fact it platforms actual Nazis.
Until there is an effective alternative solution to this discovery and audience acquisition problem, they will stay put on Substack despite any disquiet over the platform.
@fazalmajid Great, let them. But they can shut up about how antifascist they are unless they want to choke on their own hypocrisy. @msmamet @_elena
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A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.
We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers
No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.
There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses
@_elena Another alternate is the worker collective that is comradery: https://www.comradery.co/
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@danneau I've noticed how some high profile accounts have moved to Patreon...
For the two accounts you mention, maybe you could add them to your RSS feed, so that you can (1) unsubscribe (2) don't give traffic to Substack?
And tell them about this...
I think these objections have worked for other creators... like Anne Helen Petersen of Culture Studies (one of the most visible / famous Substack newsletters back in the day)
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@Torithom ABSOLUTELY!
I had 2 Substack newsletters years ago and I simply exported my subscriber list and moved to Ghost. It took a few minutes. Easy peasy. That's why I say there are ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSES.
Ghost even offers a free concierge service for moving subscribers (incl. paid) off of Substack: https://ghost.org/move-to-ghost/
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@WTL Or we address the structure that leads to so many platforms turning sour
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@WTL Or we address the structure that leads to so many platforms turning sour
@Torithom Off the top of my head, I'd say for-profit, VC backed social media will always chase all the money, so will take anyone as customers, no matter how distastefully fascist they are.
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@Torithom Off the top of my head, I'd say for-profit, VC backed social media will always chase all the money, so will take anyone as customers, no matter how distastefully fascist they are.
@WTL yes, and is there a track record of running not for profit then changing model later on? Like with OpenAI? Meaning there needs to be more mechanisms shown from the beginning for added assurity when committing to a new platform.
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A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.
We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers
No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.
There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses
we're policing our own platform, demanding tptb unNazi
don't take away the income of many excellent journalists and progressive voices because you think we can't manage our own Nazis -
i deeply apologize. you are totally right
you winningly reply guyed about people complaining about nazis- which, as we all know, complaining about nazis is the *real* problem
not at all is the problem, like, you know, the actual bona fide nazis on substack?
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If you actually read what I said you would know that I was referencing how everyone on this platform calls everything Nazi or Fascist....lol
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If you actually read what I said you would know that I was referencing how everyone on this platform calls everything Nazi or Fascist....lol
Another thing to mention
Why do you all see 1 bad actor and instantly call something a Nazi bar? Some people there are just tryna make some cash no?
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If you actually read what I said you would know that I was referencing how everyone on this platform calls everything Nazi or Fascist....lol
so you replied to elena's post, about substack, which platforms nazis, to make a comment that has nothing to do with what you replied to?
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Another thing to mention
Why do you all see 1 bad actor and instantly call something a Nazi bar? Some people there are just tryna make some cash no?
well yes, the saying goes that if you go in a bar and there are nazis there, it's a nazi bar
do you know why that's a well known saying?
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well yes, the saying goes that if you go in a bar and there are nazis there, it's a nazi bar
do you know why that's a well known saying?
Because 1 bad actor is using something...it's bad now?
Nazis use encrypted communications, let's boycott those too then. No more matrix, xmpp, signal, etc because the Nazis use them!!!
You can't hate a platform because of the people mate, ignore the oddballs and use the platform for what it's meant for
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Because 1 bad actor is using something...it's bad now?
Nazis use encrypted communications, let's boycott those too then. No more matrix, xmpp, signal, etc because the Nazis use them!!!
You can't hate a platform because of the people mate, ignore the oddballs and use the platform for what it's meant for
I brush my teeth. Nazis brush their teeth. Therefore I am Nazi
Logic 101 fail
I hang out where Nazis hang out. Therefore I'm a Nazi or I shoild get the fuck out
Logic 101 win
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I brush my teeth. Nazis brush their teeth. Therefore I am Nazi
Logic 101 fail
I hang out where Nazis hang out. Therefore I'm a Nazi or I shoild get the fuck out
Logic 101 win
@benroyce
What I said would also go to your little "logic 101 win then"I use xmpp, I'm not a Nazi, Nazis use xmpp, I am using the same software and advocating for others to use it. Public mucs have Nazis because its encrypted and they are scared.
When you add your own rules to how something works you really start to break down your own argument....
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@benroyce
What I said would also go to your little "logic 101 win then"I use xmpp, I'm not a Nazi, Nazis use xmpp, I am using the same software and advocating for others to use it. Public mucs have Nazis because its encrypted and they are scared.
When you add your own rules to how something works you really start to break down your own argument....
You win! Using a tool that is the same kind of tool someone else uses is exactly the same thing as hanging out with them in a bar. Damn have I have been schooled
