If enough Canadians contact their local representatives, as well the Mark Carney's office this week, we might be spared from this authoritarian mass-surveillance measure called "Age Verification" in Canada.
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@Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @effsame as substance abuse, same as homelessness - its not about helping anyone its about making the problem less visible so it doesn't seem like there's a problem. See, problem gone, it must be solved right?
On the plus side, age verification will make our kids a LOT more tech saavy trying to get around it, spoof it or fake it. Not to mention a cottage industry of of-age ppl farming their IDs out so kids can post on Tik-tok or whatever.
@tezoatlipoca And make things harder for those less tech savvy, such as older people. They are already targets for fraud. @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
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@CStamp
@Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @effsame as substance abuse, same as homelessness - its not about helping anyone its about making the problem less visible so it doesn't seem like there's a problem. See, problem gone, it must be solved right?
On the plus side, age verification will make our kids a LOT more tech saavy trying to get around it, spoof it or fake it. Not to mention a cottage industry of of-age ppl farming their IDs out so kids can post on Tik-tok or whatever.
@tezoatlipoca @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff that is a very savvy comment
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@Paulatics If it were about kids, there would be a push to get media literacy in schools. Age verification is dangerous to everyone, its implementation is only a variety of privacy violations. When kids were getting into their father’s or uncle’s porn magazines, no one was searching homes looking for these stashes to protect the children. Kids will be curious, so also make good sex ed mandatory in schools. @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
@CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff very accurate comment
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@tezoatlipoca @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff that is a very savvy comment
@essexman @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
The only real way to tackle this is teach kids how to spot the bad shit we're trying to protect them from, while still participating in an internet that may have bad actors.
And NOT like how they did in the UK where they said if you provide a forum of any kind you must provide aggressive content and abuse moderation or you can't have said forum.
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@essexman @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
The only real way to tackle this is teach kids how to spot the bad shit we're trying to protect them from, while still participating in an internet that may have bad actors.
And NOT like how they did in the UK where they said if you provide a forum of any kind you must provide aggressive content and abuse moderation or you can't have said forum.
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@essexman @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
Thought I'd still pick that over age verification though - frankly there are a lot of open/public onliine forums that could stand with some better moderation... Nextdoor and Facebook Groups Im looking your direction. Seriously, all I want is news about garage sales and lost kittens, but there's always that handful of nutjobs ruining it At least with IRC you can kick the climate change denying healing crystal schill from the channel.
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@essexman @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
Thought I'd still pick that over age verification though - frankly there are a lot of open/public onliine forums that could stand with some better moderation... Nextdoor and Facebook Groups Im looking your direction. Seriously, all I want is news about garage sales and lost kittens, but there's always that handful of nutjobs ruining it At least with IRC you can kick the climate change denying healing crystal schill from the channel.
@tezoatlipoca Sure, but moderation is a different topic. @essexman @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
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@essexman @CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
Thought I'd still pick that over age verification though - frankly there are a lot of open/public onliine forums that could stand with some better moderation... Nextdoor and Facebook Groups Im looking your direction. Seriously, all I want is news about garage sales and lost kittens, but there's always that handful of nutjobs ruining it At least with IRC you can kick the climate change denying healing crystal schill from the channel.
@tezoatlipoca @essexman @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff I had a substitute teacher for 2 weeks in high school who, among the things he was supposed to teach, also taught how advertising works. Forever changed how I looked at ads. With the internet, media literacy should be age-appropriate from when they have internet access and it should be drilled into them every year.
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@Paulatics If it were about kids, there would be a push to get media literacy in schools. Age verification is dangerous to everyone, its implementation is only a variety of privacy violations. When kids were getting into their father’s or uncle’s porn magazines, no one was searching homes looking for these stashes to protect the children. Kids will be curious, so also make good sex ed mandatory in schools. @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
@CStamp @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
Anything forbidden is even more tempting. Our parents taught us to do things responsibly. Exposure completely defused the draw of the taboo.
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@jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff The Online Harms bill is still gestating; no sense yet of when it might emerge. On the other hand, Bill S-209, which would require proof of age 18 to access porn finished at committee today and will come back to the Senate in two weeks. (It is not govt legislation, but rather the Senate equivalent of a private member’s bill. We call them Senate Public Bills.)
Thanks, @Paulatics ! If 2SLGBTQIA+, digital rights, and tech justice organizations weren't present in the committee discussions, getting them up to speed on the situation and getting their perspectives should be a priority.
From a quick look at the bill text from https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/45-1/s-209 , it seems to have similar issues in terms of putting up access barriers to vulnerable communities as US-based age verification limitations.
The privacy protections in 12(2) are worded better than I've seen here although I'm not seeing any penalties for companies that violate them. For example, In the Discord examples I mentioned in https://neuromatch.social/@jdp23/116217212942892836 , what penalties would Discord and/or their age verification vendor have faced from retaining the images of government IDs (the first example) or sharing it with hudreds of other organizations as part of the age estimation process (the second)?
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@Em0nM4stodon Glad it's useful! Once I recover from the leg session (which ends today) I'm planning on doing a more detailed writeup but it seemed timely to share something about this right now
Feel free to use any of this stuff If you do somethig for Privacy Guides on age verification activism ... and/or, happy to talk more about what did and didn't work here (realizing that it doesn't necessarily generalize). @mtec probably also has some good perspectives on trying to fight similar legislation in a very different political climate.
@jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon today is the last day of legislative session in Florida as well. Our strategy was that we got saved by the bell and by party politics. Disagreement within the FL GOP led to our two age verification bills being stalled out.
However, showing up to speak against these bills in activist spaces has helped to raise awareness about digital rights issues and build a movement of people. Through advocacy us concerned citizens are finding each other and getting organized.
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@tezoatlipoca And make things harder for those less tech savvy, such as older people. They are already targets for fraud. @Paulatics @jdp23 @Em0nM4stodon @eff
This is a really important point, and one that doesn't get highlighted enough. Age verification puts everybody at risk, and the risks are higher for already-vulnerable people. "Please submit a picture of your government ID to be able to keep using this software," what could possibly go wrong?
(Apologies for the belated response on this.)
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