Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
Hope the options make sense, I tried to be concise!
This is based on an earlier conversation:
Stefan Bohacek (@stefan@stefanbohacek.online)
@evan@cosocial.ca Given all the complexities and real and potential vectors of abuse, maybe replies to followers-only posts should be forced to be private mentions? Sometimes people share personal things using followers-only visibility, and replying directly without exposing private details seems the most appropriate. Eg. not announcing "Hope you'll recover from the diarrhea soon, Bob!" to potentially thousands of strangers, or even people who do know Bob, but Bob was not addressing in his post.
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Stefan Bohacek (@stefan@stefanbohacek.online)
@evan@cosocial.ca Maybe it would be better to rephrase this question as: If you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to get replies from? I'm getting the sense that some people are more interested in getting into other people's business than respecting boundaries. Hence the strong opposition to reply controls. "But what about my right to share my unwanted opinion" vs respecting how other people want to interact online.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@stefan
Don't really care, not here for the "engagement".
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@stefan
Don't really care, not here for the "engagement".
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@stefan my answer to similar question - https://mastodon.social/@dahukanna/116030109485498081
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@stefan FYI I've answered the question as stated, that is, "what do you expect" i.e. how I think the code works. I wonder though if it was meant to be about how I would *want* it to work
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@stefan FYI I've answered the question as stated, that is, "what do you expect" i.e. how I think the code works. I wonder though if it was meant to be about how I would *want* it to work
@luc Good question! Yes, this is about wants/needs.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@stefan lol #MOFs shall henceforth be known as #MyOwnFollowers tag
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@stefan lol #MOFs shall henceforth be known as #MyOwnFollowers tag
@Heliograph Ha, polls are hard!
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@Stefan Bohacek My own followers. Hubzilla doesn't grant anyone else permission to see the post, much less interact with or reply to it.
Essentially, here on Hubzilla, "followers only" amounts to posting to a privacy group (think Mastodon list, but more powerful) that contains everyone who follows me. That wouldn't be a public post, though, and Mastodon would understand it as a DM.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Permissions #FollowersOnly -
Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@stefan
Do you mean re-post? -
@stefan
Do you mean re-post?@saxicola Not quite.
When I post a followers-only post, a follower can reply to it, their followers can see that reply, and may reply as well, without actually seeing my original post, if they are not my followers.
This both creates fragmented conversations (my follower's followers may not see the original post), but also potentially leaks personal information.
Eg. I may share something personal with a handful of followers, like a health status update, a well-meaning follower with a large number of their own followers wishes me a speedy recovery, and then a ton of strangers can deduce that I'm dealing with sickness.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
⊙ Anyone my followers can feasibly reach; effectively, the majority of the Fediverse
The “post to my followers” setting specifies the *immediate recipients* of my post. That doesn't limit to whom those people will later boost my post, increasing its audience.
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@stefan my answer to similar question - https://mastodon.social/@dahukanna/116030109485498081
@dahukanna the Venn diagram is not the same as "mutual MOF + RF only"? @stefan
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@dahukanna the Venn diagram is not the same as "mutual MOF + RF only"? @stefan
The set theory ven diagram is the original followers set/group who can see the original post (MOF). Any mutuals (A ⋂ (Bn: >=1) >= 0) between original poster:A and followers, where “n”=followers of followers set: Bn will be covered the original post audience and is a “red-herring” distraction.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
Thanks everyone for voting and sharing your opinion!
Looking at the results, I think this does support the idea that maybe replies to followers-only posts should be automatically private mentions?
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Thanks everyone for voting and sharing your opinion!
Looking at the results, I think this does support the idea that maybe replies to followers-only posts should be automatically private mentions?
@stefan Are you joking? 77% said "my own followers"! How could that possibly mean "me only"?
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@stefan Are you joking? 77% said "my own followers"! How could that possibly mean "me only"?
@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
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@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online @evan@cosocial.ca The problem with Private Mentions is it doesn't allow for new followers and there is a character limit making mentioned be very limited when you have anywhere close to 100+ followers
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@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
The question was: "Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
And the overwhelmingly most popular answer was "My own followers".
When people say that they expect their followers to see replies, then they expect their followers to see replies.
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The question was: "Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
And the overwhelmingly most popular answer was "My own followers".
When people say that they expect their followers to see replies, then they expect their followers to see replies.
You said:
> So if you only expect to hear from your followers,
That wasn't the question.
> without reply controls,
Irrelevant.
> the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you,
No, to your *followers*, which is what everyone said?
> or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
That was an option and an unpopular answer.
