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I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode.

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  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

    @dannyman I mean, it does to an extent. CSS has the color-scheme and light-dark() colors that respond to the browser’s settings.

    But the browser can only do so much. CSS doesn’t convey the *intent* of elements, only their *appearance*. It’s much worse with React-style pages, in which the CSS *and* html elements have basically zero semantic meaning.

    I use Reader mode to get around dark mode, which works sometimes for sites with mostly static blog contents, but a wholesale rewriting of the page style basically requires reading the minds of the developers.

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    @drahardja so ... HTML is fundamentally semantic ... there are a bunch of words that you want to read and some markup explaining how the author wants it to render ... but what happens on the clients side is fundamentally up to the client ... to represent the words ... that's why blind folks can browse the web with screen readers -- it's just words -- and you ought to be able to access a web browser that can cater to your own abilities as well.

    This is more reliable than asking millions of random web sites to somehow understand every nuance of crafting CSS for each audience.

    I believe the mainstream operating systems and web browsers already have a variety of accessibility settings, each frustratingly limited in its own way. We all know how to crank the font size up and down!

    (Personally, I tend to avoid web sites that DON'T support a dark mode, which I find easier to read, but not to a degree that I need an accommodation. Kagi slow web has a neat switch for rendering random sites in light/dark mode.)

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    • dannyman@sfba.socialD dannyman@sfba.social

      @drahardja so ... HTML is fundamentally semantic ... there are a bunch of words that you want to read and some markup explaining how the author wants it to render ... but what happens on the clients side is fundamentally up to the client ... to represent the words ... that's why blind folks can browse the web with screen readers -- it's just words -- and you ought to be able to access a web browser that can cater to your own abilities as well.

      This is more reliable than asking millions of random web sites to somehow understand every nuance of crafting CSS for each audience.

      I believe the mainstream operating systems and web browsers already have a variety of accessibility settings, each frustratingly limited in its own way. We all know how to crank the font size up and down!

      (Personally, I tend to avoid web sites that DON'T support a dark mode, which I find easier to read, but not to a degree that I need an accommodation. Kagi slow web has a neat switch for rendering random sites in light/dark mode.)

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      @dannyman HTML *can* be semantic, but only if the web developer cared. Many websites now use an intermediary framework like React that renders everything as divs, without any further meaning.

      Some websites are considerate enough to use semantic tags like <article> but this is by no means universal, or even widespread in my experience.

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      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

        I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

        #accessibility #website #design

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        @drahardja I have a similar problem in Zoom meetings. They have changed the chat box to dark mode, and Zoom keeps recommending ways to change it back to light mode that just don't work on my computer.

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        • ghalldev@mastodon.socialG ghalldev@mastodon.social

          @drahardja YES! I have astigmatism so it makes light on dark immensely hard and uncomfortable to read unless I bump up the text size 😭

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          @ghalldev @drahardja That’s so curious. I too have astigmatism and need reading glasses but I find light backgrounds extremely uncomfortable on the eyes.

          Dark mode has been a god send to me. I don’t like white on black - I use dark grey and some very light shade of grey, and on my kobo I use a yellow tint.

          I have trouble with brightness in general and wear transitions lenses, or very dark sunglasses when the day is too bright. That may be the reason the light mode bothers me so much.

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          • catzilla@toot.catC catzilla@toot.cat

            @ghalldev @drahardja That’s so curious. I too have astigmatism and need reading glasses but I find light backgrounds extremely uncomfortable on the eyes.

            Dark mode has been a god send to me. I don’t like white on black - I use dark grey and some very light shade of grey, and on my kobo I use a yellow tint.

            I have trouble with brightness in general and wear transitions lenses, or very dark sunglasses when the day is too bright. That may be the reason the light mode bothers me so much.

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            @catzilla @drahardja That is interesting re: brightness, I have the opposite problem I have trouble in the dark and I never wear sunglasses.

            Oddly I will occasionally switch to dark mode if it’s a rainy day because I get headaches. 😅

            Eyes are weird.

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            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

              @dannyman HTML *can* be semantic, but only if the web developer cared. Many websites now use an intermediary framework like React that renders everything as divs, without any further meaning.

              Some websites are considerate enough to use semantic tags like <article> but this is by no means universal, or even widespread in my experience.

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              @drahardja

              Nah, that's not React's fault. That's developer's. You can use semantic HTML in react as well.

              @dannyman

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                #accessibility #website #design

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                @drahardja
                I'm far from expert at web stuff. But I will try to implement this on my sites.

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                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                  I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                  #accessibility #website #design

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                  @drahardja and also light-on-dark because some folk have so many floaters it's not worth the effort of reading in light mode.

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                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                    I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                    #accessibility #website #design

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                    @drahardja@sfba.social

                    I will always loudly advocate for every site to support both, default to the user's setting, and have a prominent control to switch theme.

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                    • reddog@syzito.xyzR reddog@syzito.xyz

                      @drahardja
                      I'm far from expert at web stuff. But I will try to implement this on my sites.

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                      @Reddog 🙌

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                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                        I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                        #accessibility #website #design

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                        @drahardja

                        And not just dark mode/light mode. Some folks build their sites with light gray on dark gray or the reverse. Cataracts reduce one's ability to decode low contrast; before I had my cataract surgery I could not read sites with gray on gray text, whether light or dark mode.

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                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                          I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                          #accessibility #website #design

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                          @drahardja

                          You should try the Dark Reader plugin

                          Despite the name, you can compel it to make sites light.

                          Link Preview Image
                          Dark Reader — dark theme for every website

                          Enable dark mode (night mode) on all websites

                          favicon

                          Dark Reader (darkreader.org)

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                          • dr_barnowl@topspicy.socialD dr_barnowl@topspicy.social

                            @drahardja

                            You should try the Dark Reader plugin

                            Despite the name, you can compel it to make sites light.

                            Link Preview Image
                            Dark Reader — dark theme for every website

                            Enable dark mode (night mode) on all websites

                            favicon

                            Dark Reader (darkreader.org)

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                            @dr_barnowl I’ll give it a try!

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                            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                              I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                              #accessibility #website #design

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                              @drahardja I completely agree. If a site is dark only I just leave. I can't be bothered with it.

                              I've moaned a few times.
                              https://forkingmad.blog/dark-web-sites/

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                              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                                #accessibility #website #design

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                                @drahardja Better yet, have them honor the browser foreground and background colors (which follow the system theme) and font selection. That would simplify a lot of accessibility issues.

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