Semi-regularly re-posting this...

[kimcrawley@zeroes.ca]

@jwcph

Kim Crawley 😷 (she/her) (@kimcrawley@zeroes.ca)

Is anyone here 40 or older and from Turtle Island (the US and Canada) and remember the environmentalism fad of roughly 1988-1991? Environmentalism is very important, but now I know the powers-that-be were trying to make environmental destruction the responsibility of proletariat individuals to solve. Reduce, reuse, recycle! https://helvede.net/@jwcph/116116331432711304

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[cwicseolfor@zeroes.ca]

@jwcph Prosecution and future taxation is the *favorable* outcome for them.

[natsura@catgirl.center]

@jwcph@helvede.net why do I have the sudden urge to as a society try to trick billionaires into those busses and then throw a lit match at the busses till they explode?

Oh right because those billionaires are less human than even an ant.

[longspeak@chirp.enworld.org]

@jwcph It'd be nice if they'd all get on the bus so someone could take care of them all at once.

[uxmark@mstdn.ca]

@jwcph @auxonic 90 of these people on a bus is so unrealistic! ️

[sugar@goblin.camp]

@jwcph I hear they are weak to orca damage

[auxonic@ottawa.place]

@uxmark @jwcph maybe out put them on the titanic

[uxmark@mstdn.ca]

@auxonic @jwcph That’s more realistic!

[peachmcd@union.place]

@jwcph

George Saunders' new book is about the death of one of those people

[starkrg@myside-yourside.net]

@jwcph But if we don't let them make the planet uninhabitable, resulting in the extinction of most life, the economy might suffer and people might lose their jobs!

[megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social]

@jwcph

A handful of drones.... a handful of drones.....

[nyxallocer@woof.group]

@jwcph I saw someone who said "People who fly frequently are helping to cook the planet" and its like no, people with Private Jets that's got frequently are helping cook the planet

[pentup@mastodon.art]

@jwcph Okay but now I'm wondering if this person comes from somewhere with really small Greyhound buses that only seat 30 people?

[eribosot@mastodon.social]

@jwcph Putting the blame for destroying the planet exclusively on oil executives is like putting the blame for the excess of superhero movies exclusively on Marvel Studios. It takes two to tango, and too many of us are only too willing to dance.

[blackoverflow@norden.social]

@eribosot
@jwcph
Do you think that people always have the capacity of choice?

Would you agree, that the amount of blame should correlate with how much capacity they had to choose?

I do agree with you, that blaming those billionaires does not free the rest of us from blame.
At the same time I agree with this thread, that these people are clearly and freely choosing evil. So they deserve mounts of blaim.

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@jwcph And several times a year a large portion of them are all in one place.

[eribosot@mastodon.social]

@blackoverflow @jwcph

I find the question of who's to blame much less interesting or important than fixing the problem. Yes, they are vastly more to blame than we are. But blaming them -or ourselves- does nothing to fix the problem.

The mindset I see is one of good and evil, or sin and redemption. But when a house is on fire, you first grab a bucket and put out the fire, and only later figure out who was the arsonist.

[jwcph@helvede.net]

@eribosot @blackoverflow Oh, fuck off.

[leendaal@rollenspiel.social]

@eribosot @blackoverflow @jwcph to stay in your image the arsonist hasn't left the scene and is pouring gasoline on the house with a fire hose while you have a bucket.

[blackoverflow@norden.social]

@eribosot
@jwcph
And to fix the problem, it needs avenues of action.

Actions that can't happen without the capacity to choose.

Individual action will not fix this problem.

For collective action to happen, the collective needs to join behind a common goal.

For this to happen, it needs voices of anger and discontent. It also needs blame, to put pressure on those who have the capacity to choose.

Unrest is a social function which has it's function.

It is dangerous, but also needed.