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  3. There aren't a lot of things I agree with Mark Carney about, but there's one area where he and I are in *total* accord: the old, US-dominated, "rules-based international order" was total bullshit:

There aren't a lot of things I agree with Mark Carney about, but there's one area where he and I are in *total* accord: the old, US-dominated, "rules-based international order" was total bullshit:

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  • cptbutton@dice.campC cptbutton@dice.camp

    @pluralistic

    What was that SF quote something like "bad things in the short term are often good things in the long run"?

    H. Beam Piper I think. (Who was rather a right wing nut job, granted.)

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    @pluralistic

    I also recall the rant from "Space Viking" about barbarians who get in power and don't understand what it takes to keep society running, and destroy it.

    (Except he meant left-wingers, which is not how it is working out lately.)

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    • cptbutton@dice.campC cptbutton@dice.camp

      @pluralistic

      What was that SF quote something like "bad things in the short term are often good things in the long run"?

      H. Beam Piper I think. (Who was rather a right wing nut job, granted.)

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      @pluralistic

      Found it:

      ""Might be a good thing, in the long run. Good things in the long run are often tough while they're happening."

      "Space Viking" by H. Beam Piper, 1963.

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      • cptbutton@dice.campC cptbutton@dice.camp

        @pluralistic

        I also recall the rant from "Space Viking" about barbarians who get in power and don't understand what it takes to keep society running, and destroy it.

        (Except he meant left-wingers, which is not how it is working out lately.)

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        @pluralistic

        Found it:

        "Don't you? You were there; you saw what's happening. The barbarians are rising; they have a leader, and they're uniting. Every society rests on a barbarian base. The people who don't understand civilization, and wouldn't like it if they did. The hitchhikers."

        1/3

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        • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

          This is a deeply shitty timeline, but Comrade Trump keeps tripping over his red tie. Let's take the wins.

          eof/

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          @pluralistic

          Thank you for that look at the bright side. There are some really good things happening, and that is what I need to focus on right now.

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          • cptbutton@dice.campC cptbutton@dice.camp

            @pluralistic

            Found it:

            "Don't you? You were there; you saw what's happening. The barbarians are rising; they have a leader, and they're uniting. Every society rests on a barbarian base. The people who don't understand civilization, and wouldn't like it if they did. The hitchhikers."

            1/3

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            @pluralistic

            "The people who create nothing, and who don't appreciate what others have created for them, and who think civilization is something that just exists and that all they need to do is enjoy what they can understand of it-- luxuries, a high living standard, and easy work for high pay."

            2/3

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              @pluralistic

              "The people who create nothing, and who don't appreciate what others have created for them, and who think civilization is something that just exists and that all they need to do is enjoy what they can understand of it-- luxuries, a high living standard, and easy work for high pay."

              2/3

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              @pluralistic

              'Trask nodded. "And now, the hitchhikers think they know more about the car than the people who designed it, so they're going to grab the controls. Zaspar Makann says they can, and he's the Leader."'

              3/3

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              • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                Unlike Carney, I never pretended to like that old order, and indeed, I spent my entire life fighting against it - literally, all the way back to childhood, organizing other children to march against Canada's participation in America's nuclear weapons programs:

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                All of which means that my experience of the Trump years is decidedly *weird*.

                2/

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                @pluralistic

                'Thanks to Trump's stupid, bloody, unforgivable war of choice in the Gulf, the world is going to install unimaginable amounts of cleantech.'

                Nothing healthier for we humans and our planet right now than petro-fuel prices that better reflect their true cost.

                We’re a long way off, but as this post notes, 'Comrade Trump' could hardly have made a finer start.

                Every obscenely obese 'family' pickup truck or SUV (baby carriages, all) I see now brings me heartwarming joy.

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                • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                  There aren't a lot of things I agree with Mark Carney about, but there's one area where he and I are in *total* accord: the old, US-dominated, "rules-based international order" was total bullshit:

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                  If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:

                  https://pluralistic.net/2026/04/20/praxis/#acceleration

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                  @pluralistic thank you to infinity and back for today's essay. So many nuggets to cherish in here. I take a special shine to "his chud army of Christian nationalists and degenerate gamblers" and the later reference to the "Gretacene." PS Any chance we can advance balcony solar panels in the US?

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                  • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                    The country's fleet of noisy, dirty motorbikes is being swiftly replaced by ebikes that get eight miles to the *penny*:

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                    • Ethiopia expands ICE vehicle import ban to include trucks• EV numbers rise amid push for carbon-neutral transport by 2030• Hydropower, LNG support

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                    Ebikes are insanely great technology. Cheap, rugged and reliable, they're basically bicycles that abolish *hills*. Once you've gotten accustomed to an ebike - maybe you've invested in a folding helmet and a raincoat - you'll never go back.

                    14/

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                    @pluralistic folding helmet??????

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                      @pluralistic folding helmet??????

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                      @semitones love mine

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