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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 18:52:16 GMT

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semitones@tiny.tilde.website — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 18:50:22 GMT

@pluralistic folding helmet??????

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1sxteenthdane@mstdn.dk — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 18:20:31 GMT

@pluralistic thank you to infinity and back for today's essay. So many nuggets to cherish in here. I take a special shine to "his chud army of Christian nationalists and degenerate gamblers" and the later reference to the "Gretacene." PS Any chance we can advance balcony solar panels in the US?

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f800gecko@mastodon.online — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:27:06 GMT

@pluralistic

'Thanks to Trump's stupid, bloody, unforgivable war of choice in the Gulf, the world is going to install unimaginable amounts of cleantech.'

Nothing healthier for we humans and our planet right now than petro-fuel prices that better reflect their true cost.

We’re a long way off, but as this post notes, 'Comrade Trump' could hardly have made a finer start.

Every obscenely obese 'family' pickup truck or SUV (baby carriages, all) I see now brings me heartwarming joy.

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cptbutton@dice.camp — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:21:01 GMT

@pluralistic

'Trask nodded. "And now, the hitchhikers think they know more about the car than the people who designed it, so they're going to grab the controls. Zaspar Makann says they can, and he's the Leader."'

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Space Viking by H. Beam Piper

Free eBook digitized and proofread by volunteers.

Project Gutenberg (gutenberg.org)

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cptbutton@dice.camp — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:19:13 GMT

@pluralistic

"The people who create nothing, and who don't appreciate what others have created for them, and who think civilization is something that just exists and that all they need to do is enjoy what they can understand of it-- luxuries, a high living standard, and easy work for high pay."

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anniebuddy@thecanadian.social — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:18:56 GMT

@pluralistic

Thank you for that look at the bright side. There are some really good things happening, and that is what I need to focus on right now.

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cptbutton@dice.camp — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:18:45 GMT

@pluralistic

Found it:

"Don't you? You were there; you saw what's happening. The barbarians are rising; they have a leader, and they're uniting. Every society rests on a barbarian base. The people who don't understand civilization, and wouldn't like it if they did. The hitchhikers."

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cptbutton@dice.camp — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:14:22 GMT

@pluralistic

Found it:

""Might be a good thing, in the long run. Good things in the long run are often tough while they're happening."

"Space Viking" by H. Beam Piper, 1963.

Space Viking - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

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cptbutton@dice.camp — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:09:02 GMT

@pluralistic

I also recall the rant from "Space Viking" about barbarians who get in power and don't understand what it takes to keep society running, and destroy it.

(Except he meant left-wingers, which is not how it is working out lately.)

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cptbutton@dice.camp — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:06:17 GMT

@pluralistic

What was that SF quote something like "bad things in the short term are often good things in the long run"?

H. Beam Piper I think. (Who was rather a right wing nut job, granted.)

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jmcrookston@mastodon.social — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:04:54 GMT

@pluralistic

Ooh Tesla is gonna be real salty about this news

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bencurthoys@mastodon.social — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:01:13 GMT

@pluralistic UK planning is a game of snakes and ladders with no ladders. And a lot of snakes.

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:58:17 GMT

This is a deeply shitty timeline, but Comrade Trump keeps tripping over his red tie. Let's take the wins.

eof/

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:58:12 GMT

Thanks to Trump, we might see criminal prosecutions - and a primary challenge for any Dem that gets in the way of a serious, Nuremberg-style reckoning with Trumpismo and its gangsters:

Pluralistic: The Nuremberg Caucus (10 Feb 2026) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

(pluralistic.net)

Look, all things being equal, I would have preferred that Trump had keeled over from a mid-burger stroke on the campaign trail in 2016. But when life gives you SARS, you make sarsaparilla.

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:58:02 GMT

Fury over Trumpismo is pushing even the most useless Democratic leaders to sign up for billionaire taxes:

Zohran Mamdani and the Left Made Kathy Hochul Tax the Rich

In New York City, a tax on superexpensive second homes is a victory for Zohran Mamdani and the socialist movement and should mark the beginning of a larger project of redistribution.

(jacobin.com)

Thanks to Comrade Trump, the median Democratic voter will no longer be satisfied with Kente cloth photo-ops and little ping-pong paddles stenciled with "down with this sort of thing":

Ping-Pong Paddles to a Gun Fight - Truthdig

The Democrats had a chance to do something bold last night. Almost all of them blew it.

Truthdig (www.truthdig.com)

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:57:53 GMT

Trump is succeeding where Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and AOC failed: he's making the case for Democrats to defenestrate their useless, sellout, Epstein-poisoned leaders. All across the country, radical Dems and avowed socialists are sweeping primaries and elections, as voters realize that Blue No Matter Who will doom them to eternal torment in the Manchin-Synematic Universe:

Progressive Win in New Jersey Hinged on Anti-ICE Organizing - The American Prospect

Mejia combined campaigning with training, including town halls with sessions about anti-authoritarianism, civil disobedience, and ways to prepare for encounters with immigration agents, who are terrorizing New Jersey and every other state.

The American Prospect (prospect.org)

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:57:44 GMT

And of course, he's whacked the whole world with tariffs that violate the trade agreements that imposed those anticircumvention obligations that protect America's defective tech exports. Now there's no longer any reason to keep those laws on the books. Happy Liberation Day, everyone! The post-American internet is at hand:

Pluralistic: The Post-American Internet (01 Jan 2026) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

(pluralistic.net)

But Trump has *even more* praxis up his spraytan-stained sleeves.

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:57:35 GMT

Enter Comrade Trump. When Trump started weaponizing US tech platforms to take away the working files, email accounts and cloud calendars of judges who pissed him off (by sentencing Bolsonaro to prison and swearing out a genocide warrant for Netanyahu), he put the whole world on notice that he could shut down their governments, judiciaries or companies at the click of a mouse:

Pluralistic: A Pascal’s Wager for AI Doomers (16 Apr 2026) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

(pluralistic.net)

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:57:27 GMT

But the most important force defending American internet hegemony was free trade: specifically, the US forced all of its trading partners to adopt "anticircumvention" laws that make it illegal to modify US tech exports. That means that you can't go into business selling your neighbors the tools to use generic ink or an independent app store, much less make a fortune exporting those tools to the rest of the world:

Pluralistic: Tools vs uses (16 Mar 2026) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

(pluralistic.net)

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:57:09 GMT

Add to that the complexity of successfully migrating data, edit histories, archives and identities and you're looking at a very big lift. So long as the American tech bosses kept their enshittificatory gambits to a measured, slow flow, they could keep the pain beneath the threshold where it was worth us boiling frogs leaping out of their pot.

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:57:02 GMT

There's lots of reasons for this. For one thing, ripping out and replacing all that software and firmware is a prodigious challenge, as is building the data-centers to host it for every "digitally sovereign" country.

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:56:46 GMT

Despite the Snowden revelations, despite the tech industry's prolific snood-cocking at EU privacy regulators and Canadian lawmakers, we all just carried on using these incredibly dangerous, steadily enshittifying Big Tech products. We even run our governments and structurally important companies off Big Tech. We let US tech companies update (that is, downgrade) the software on our cars and tractors, our pacemakers and ventilators, our power plants and telephone switches.

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pluralistic@mamot.fr — Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:56:39 GMT

Energy is just one realm where Trump is doing praxis. One of the most exciting developments that Trumpismo's incontinent belligerence has induced is the global *technology* transition.

For decades, the only people pointing out the dangers of using America's cash-grabbing, privacy invading defective tech exports were digital rights hippies like me, and our victories were modest and far between.

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