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@gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky Apple always has huge performance regressions when they make sweeping UI changes. Just look back at iOS 7.
@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky here's a fresh idea: don't do sweeping UI changes
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@nikitonsky @siracusa I’m not a big “What would Steve do?” guy (in part because he implored us not to be), but he would definitely have been the human shield to protect us from Tahoe if that’s what it took. Such a shame.
Putting all my faith in Ternus & Lemay for a rapid response to the worst of this nonsense.
Jameson, I don't think Jobs would've allowed even the first flat redesign to happen. When the first iOS 7 beta came out, I honestly thought it was a joke. Then I thought, okay, maybe they're serious with this, but sure the icons with all the wrong proportions, as if kids made them, were temporary placeholders. And then all that came out unchanged as the stable release...
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky Resizing the windows of some of the new Tahoe apps (Contacts, Phone, Messages, etc.) is slow and drops frames on my 14” M1 MacBook Pro. Sure, it’s not brand new anymore, but it’s still faster than *every Intel Mac ever made*. Come on!
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky @siracusa thank you. I’m sick of people saying Tahoe isn’t bad and “you just have to get used to it”.
No it’s bad. As a user, I don’t care what framework is being used or whatever is causing that slow rendering etc. I care about the user experience. Which currently is bad.
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@freediverx
in Apple's case, it was switching to Swift as their application level programmung labguage that probably caused those performance issues.
Microsoft's .NET, on the other hand, is solid as a rock. So Windows performace issues are mostly to do with spending 50% or more of every computer's resources on spying on people.
@gullevek @nikitonsky@ramin_hal9001 @freediverx @gullevek @nikitonsky Objective-C is still ahead of its time.
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Apple in 2026:
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@gullevek @nikitonsky it started long before LLMs, I'd blame the misguided incentive structure in the industry, metric-driven development, all that. Combined with teams needing to keep doing something when all their products have been functionally complete for years.
@grishka @gullevek @nikitonsky Yeah, making changes to things that work fine, for the sake of work metrics and KPIs.
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky For an even stronger effect: open the custom color popover, and *slide* the slider. This creates dozen of color updates, which are queued, and so the preview icons will keep changing colors for *minutes *
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@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky here's a fresh idea: don't do sweeping UI changes
@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I mean, it’s a good idea to do sometimes. I’d rather not still be on skeuomorphic design right now.
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@nikitonsky omg... glad I didn't upgrade yet
@borkdude @nikitonsky I sat out the Touch Bar, I can sit this crap out too. Shame that containers aren’t as nice before Tahoe, but I can wait, qemu has my back in the meantime.
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@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I mean, it’s a good idea to do sometimes. I’d rather not still be on skeuomorphic design right now.
@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky it's ok to do it together with a major OS update that gives it new graphical capabilities (classic Mac OS -> OS X). It's also ok to do it if you can't fit some genuinely useful feature into the existing design.
However, doing it "just because" is making your users re-learn to do the same things for no reason.
I'd rather have skeuomorphism forever than the modern atrocity where you don't know what anything is until you try interacting with it.
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@gullevek @nikitonsky macOS 26 is now using realtime SVG graphics for everything. I presume not a lot of time was spent optimizing. So there's your answer.
@xerz @gullevek @nikitonsky well that answers nothing
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@nikitonsky Asynchronous lazy everything
@Mutesplash @nikitonsky AND slow, if it was async lazy everything and fast we wouldn't see anything
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@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky it's ok to do it together with a major OS update that gives it new graphical capabilities (classic Mac OS -> OS X). It's also ok to do it if you can't fit some genuinely useful feature into the existing design.
However, doing it "just because" is making your users re-learn to do the same things for no reason.
I'd rather have skeuomorphism forever than the modern atrocity where you don't know what anything is until you try interacting with it.
@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I don’t think they did this redesign just because, and I don’t think they did the last just because. You don’t plan things out for years just because.
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@nikitonsky It looks impressive but I can see it's really just 40 long looping gifs tiled 10 times onto primitives. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to do this kind of thing on modern hardware. That would require passion and dedication to a craft but I can see that the modern OS is not living it's best life.
@Smohc_Stahc how did you even see that
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky @siracusa Remember when the M1 was out and everything was so fast that we even praised how changing screen resolution was instant, as opposed to the black screen and waiting that was all we had ever known? Now we can’t even change a few icon colours properly.
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@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I don’t think they did this redesign just because, and I don’t think they did the last just because. You don’t plan things out for years just because.
@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Because is the usual reason. And this time it’s extra shit. My wife never complained so much about not being able to find basic shit anymore. It is just bad. Worst redesign ever. And this was not planned for years else it wouldn’t be full of all those small issues
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@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Because is the usual reason. And this time it’s extra shit. My wife never complained so much about not being able to find basic shit anymore. It is just bad. Worst redesign ever. And this was not planned for years else it wouldn’t be full of all those small issues
@gullevek @Lenora256 @xerz @nikitonsky I don't use iOS much, but it's kinda fine there. My only complaint about iOS liquid glass is the very stupid gradient that changes between white and black to maintain contrast as you scroll.
On macOS though... Just give me Mavericks on ARM please. Just roll back all userspace changes that were made during the last 13 years, thanks. I want a real desktop OS, not whatever this crap is.
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@nikitonsky @siracusa Looks like I’m going to be on Sequoia until maybe the M6 is available.
@slyborg
Just bought a 2017 iMac 27" and elevated it to Sequoia. They don’t even make decent iMacs anymore …
