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@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky here's a fresh idea: don't do sweeping UI changes
@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I mean, it’s a good idea to do sometimes. I’d rather not still be on skeuomorphic design right now.
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@nikitonsky omg... glad I didn't upgrade yet
@borkdude @nikitonsky I sat out the Touch Bar, I can sit this crap out too. Shame that containers aren’t as nice before Tahoe, but I can wait, qemu has my back in the meantime.
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@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I mean, it’s a good idea to do sometimes. I’d rather not still be on skeuomorphic design right now.
@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky it's ok to do it together with a major OS update that gives it new graphical capabilities (classic Mac OS -> OS X). It's also ok to do it if you can't fit some genuinely useful feature into the existing design.
However, doing it "just because" is making your users re-learn to do the same things for no reason.
I'd rather have skeuomorphism forever than the modern atrocity where you don't know what anything is until you try interacting with it.
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@gullevek @nikitonsky macOS 26 is now using realtime SVG graphics for everything. I presume not a lot of time was spent optimizing. So there's your answer.
@xerz @gullevek @nikitonsky well that answers nothing
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@nikitonsky Asynchronous lazy everything
@Mutesplash @nikitonsky AND slow, if it was async lazy everything and fast we wouldn't see anything
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@Lenora256 @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky it's ok to do it together with a major OS update that gives it new graphical capabilities (classic Mac OS -> OS X). It's also ok to do it if you can't fit some genuinely useful feature into the existing design.
However, doing it "just because" is making your users re-learn to do the same things for no reason.
I'd rather have skeuomorphism forever than the modern atrocity where you don't know what anything is until you try interacting with it.
@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I don’t think they did this redesign just because, and I don’t think they did the last just because. You don’t plan things out for years just because.
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@nikitonsky It looks impressive but I can see it's really just 40 long looping gifs tiled 10 times onto primitives. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to do this kind of thing on modern hardware. That would require passion and dedication to a craft but I can see that the modern OS is not living it's best life.
@Smohc_Stahc how did you even see that
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky @siracusa Remember when the M1 was out and everything was so fast that we even praised how changing screen resolution was instant, as opposed to the black screen and waiting that was all we had ever known? Now we can’t even change a few icon colours properly.
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@grishka @gullevek @xerz @nikitonsky I don’t think they did this redesign just because, and I don’t think they did the last just because. You don’t plan things out for years just because.
@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Because is the usual reason. And this time it’s extra shit. My wife never complained so much about not being able to find basic shit anymore. It is just bad. Worst redesign ever. And this was not planned for years else it wouldn’t be full of all those small issues
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@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Because is the usual reason. And this time it’s extra shit. My wife never complained so much about not being able to find basic shit anymore. It is just bad. Worst redesign ever. And this was not planned for years else it wouldn’t be full of all those small issues
@gullevek @Lenora256 @xerz @nikitonsky I don't use iOS much, but it's kinda fine there. My only complaint about iOS liquid glass is the very stupid gradient that changes between white and black to maintain contrast as you scroll.
On macOS though... Just give me Mavericks on ARM please. Just roll back all userspace changes that were made during the last 13 years, thanks. I want a real desktop OS, not whatever this crap is.
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@nikitonsky @siracusa Looks like I’m going to be on Sequoia until maybe the M6 is available.
@slyborg
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@gullevek @Lenora256 @xerz @nikitonsky I don't use iOS much, but it's kinda fine there. My only complaint about iOS liquid glass is the very stupid gradient that changes between white and black to maintain contrast as you scroll.
On macOS though... Just give me Mavericks on ARM please. Just roll back all userspace changes that were made during the last 13 years, thanks. I want a real desktop OS, not whatever this crap is.
@grishka @Lenora256 @xerz @nikitonsky iOS has turned into so much crap. In the olden days I could connect my phone to my tv and then have a slideshow with my music there. I could do that since the first iPad. Now whenever I do that I get a mirrored screen. Screw iOS. Went to fucking dogshit too. We can’t have nice things. Everything has to be hyper enshittificateted to the max (als the keyboard input on iOS went to dog shit extreme)
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@grishka @Lenora256 @xerz @nikitonsky iOS has turned into so much crap. In the olden days I could connect my phone to my tv and then have a slideshow with my music there. I could do that since the first iPad. Now whenever I do that I get a mirrored screen. Screw iOS. Went to fucking dogshit too. We can’t have nice things. Everything has to be hyper enshittificateted to the max (als the keyboard input on iOS went to dog shit extreme)
Well good thing the person responsible went off to a better paying job at meta.
Apple exec responsible for Liquid Glass design leaves the company
Apple’s head of UI design, Alan Dye, is leaving for Meta – a move Bloomberg labelled a “major coup” for Mark Zuckerberg’s
TapSmart (www.tapsmart.com)
Now everything will be changed back and lost capability of the OS recovered, right? right????
I'm so glad I switched to Linux. Color correction still has ways to go, but all the rest is so much more … out of my way.
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@grishka @Lenora256 @xerz @nikitonsky iOS has turned into so much crap. In the olden days I could connect my phone to my tv and then have a slideshow with my music there. I could do that since the first iPad. Now whenever I do that I get a mirrored screen. Screw iOS. Went to fucking dogshit too. We can’t have nice things. Everything has to be hyper enshittificateted to the max (als the keyboard input on iOS went to dog shit extreme)
@gullevek @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Enshittification is a deliberate thing. It is usually done to make money through ads. The performance issues and bugs here are hardly intentional, it’s a skill issue.
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@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Because is the usual reason. And this time it’s extra shit. My wife never complained so much about not being able to find basic shit anymore. It is just bad. Worst redesign ever. And this was not planned for years else it wouldn’t be full of all those small issues
@gullevek @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky I didn’t say it was coded for years. I said it was planned for years. It can be planned for years and the implementation still runs into issues. Also, worst redesign ever? No, that’s still iOS 7 on release.
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Apple in 2007: here’s 400 videos playing at the same time, with interactive search and real-time animations (via https://t.me/ilyabirman_channel/12350)
@nikitonsky like this was fucking 2007 where real people still had XP on their machines...
this was such a massive "guys, computers can also look really cool you know"
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky I'm all for dunking on Apple but "loading 40 icons is much harder to do than playing 400 videos" is just one of those things that seem crazy from a "normal person perspective" but make perfect sense from the inside
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@gullevek @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky I didn’t say it was coded for years. I said it was planned for years. It can be planned for years and the implementation still runs into issues. Also, worst redesign ever? No, that’s still iOS 7 on release.
@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Ios7 never had so many absolute crap UI decisions ever. Shit was till at the same place and you didn’t have to click five hundred submenus to do the same. It also didn’t make everything almost unreadable on default
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Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky I just started re-writing an app in AppKit/UIKit because SwiftUI is just too slow 🥲
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@Lenora256 @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky Ios7 never had so many absolute crap UI decisions ever. Shit was till at the same place and you didn’t have to click five hundred submenus to do the same. It also didn’t make everything almost unreadable on default
@gullevek @grishka @xerz @nikitonsky iOS 7 was unreadable to anyone without perfect eyesight and had issues with knowing where buttons were. I think you’re looking back with rose tinted glasses.
