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A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties.

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  • rauhvargers@toot.lvR rauhvargers@toot.lv

    @brucelawson can’t imagine how this would have worked in the era of CDs.

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    @rauhvargers

    Probably something like
    https://bookriot.com/buying-books-onto-the-bestseller-list/

    @brucelawson

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    • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

      A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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      @brucelawson
      https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/171/

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      • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

        A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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        @brucelawson looks like LLM A.I. is great for the criminally minded, less so for serious tasks.

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        • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

          A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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          @brucelawson
          and the "ad" in "ad infinitum" is short for "advertisement".

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          • A amoshias@esq.social

            @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson so the people accusing him said it was fraud

            and your response to that is "case closed, it's fraud."

            I hope you are never accused of a crime.

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            @Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson no, my initial argument in this thread (if you read allllllll the way back) was “I’m struggling to see how this is fraud”. Someone else then had a go about making assumptions that it was fraud. There is no assumption, it’s a fraud case, justice.gov says so. That doesn’t mean I suddenly agree that it *is* fraud, just that I didn’t make an assumption that the accusation was fraud when I said I was struggling with it.

            Read, the, thread

            *sigh*

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            • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

              A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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              @brucelawson

              the future of tech. Humans need not apply.

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              • witewulf@cyberplace.socialW witewulf@cyberplace.social

                @Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson no, my initial argument in this thread (if you read allllllll the way back) was “I’m struggling to see how this is fraud”. Someone else then had a go about making assumptions that it was fraud. There is no assumption, it’s a fraud case, justice.gov says so. That doesn’t mean I suddenly agree that it *is* fraud, just that I didn’t make an assumption that the accusation was fraud when I said I was struggling with it.

                Read, the, thread

                *sigh*

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                @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson you realize that I wasn't initially responding to you, right?

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                • kimlockhartga@beige.partyK kimlockhartga@beige.party

                  @brucelawson That's infuriating. Also, predictable.

                  And influencers are using AI to add to their stories with a musical style of their choosing and their own lyrics. Where does this leave real musicians and singers?!?

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                  @kimlockhartga @brucelawson musicians should leave spotify and use bandcamp.

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                  • A amoshias@esq.social

                    @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson you realize that I wasn't initially responding to you, right?

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                    @Amoshias

                    The way you're quoting posts makes it unclear who you're talking to. I suggest adding a line break like I did here, so that we can see who you're talking to and leaving he others CCed at the bottom. I'd also suggest being less aggressive - we're just having a friendly conversation here.

                    @WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

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                    • A amoshias@esq.social

                      @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson you realize that I wasn't initially responding to you, right?

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                      @Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson no, that wasn’t at all obvious.

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                      • alessandro@cosocial.caA alessandro@cosocial.ca

                        @Amoshias

                        The way you're quoting posts makes it unclear who you're talking to. I suggest adding a line break like I did here, so that we can see who you're talking to and leaving he others CCed at the bottom. I'd also suggest being less aggressive - we're just having a friendly conversation here.

                        @WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

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                        @alessandro

                        thank you for the formatting advice!

                        as for the tone advice I'm just responding in the tone of who I'm responding to:-)

                        @WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

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                        • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                          A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                          @brucelawson Spotify used LLMs to produce its own music, to play to people who had background music or werent listening, so they could avoid paying royalties to real artists.

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                          • D drorbedrack@mastodon.social

                            @brucelawson Spotify used LLMs to produce its own music, to play to people who had background music or werent listening, so they could avoid paying royalties to real artists.

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                            When an individual does it to Spotify, a crime. When Spotify does it to all musicians on their service (and incidentally *for* the music lables that own the musicians contracts as well as Spotify) not a crime. This is the social construction of law that we have today.

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                            • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                              A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                              michaelvcooper1@mastodon.social
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                              @brucelawson Am I the only idiot who read this, and now wants to go hear some of these songs?

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                              • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                @brucelawson Infinite money glitch!

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                                • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                  A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                  @brucelawson

                                  And in the naked light I saw
                                  Ten thousand people, maybe more
                                  People talking without speaking
                                  People hearing without listening
                                  People writing songs that voices never shared
                                  No one dared
                                  Disturb the sound of silence

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                                  • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                    A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                    @brucelawson

                                    Industry people got big mad at me when I was like..so?

                                    Gamed the system, whatever. *Definitely* not worth criminal charges. Make dude pay back and be done with it.

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                                      A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                      @brucelawson next are electric monks (See : Dirk Gentley)

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                                      • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                        A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                        @brucelawson
                                        "in an effort to mimic the genuine streaming activity of real consumers"

                                        the law is such a joke

                                        "agent" taking action on your behalf and screwing you over: legal

                                        "agent" taking action in your behalf and screwing over a tech company: FRAUD

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                                        • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                          A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                          @brucelawson

                                          I hope his dick crawls up inside him and never wakes up.

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