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A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties.

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  • A amoshias@esq.social

    @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson you realize that I wasn't initially responding to you, right?

    alessandro@cosocial.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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    alessandro@cosocial.ca
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    @Amoshias

    The way you're quoting posts makes it unclear who you're talking to. I suggest adding a line break like I did here, so that we can see who you're talking to and leaving he others CCed at the bottom. I'd also suggest being less aggressive - we're just having a friendly conversation here.

    @WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

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    • A amoshias@esq.social

      @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson you realize that I wasn't initially responding to you, right?

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      @Amoshias @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson no, that wasn’t at all obvious.

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      • alessandro@cosocial.caA alessandro@cosocial.ca

        @Amoshias

        The way you're quoting posts makes it unclear who you're talking to. I suggest adding a line break like I did here, so that we can see who you're talking to and leaving he others CCed at the bottom. I'd also suggest being less aggressive - we're just having a friendly conversation here.

        @WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

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        amoshias@esq.social
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        @alessandro

        thank you for the formatting advice!

        as for the tone advice I'm just responding in the tone of who I'm responding to:-)

        @WiteWulf @toriver @brucelawson

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        • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

          A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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          drorbedrack@mastodon.social
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          #56

          @brucelawson Spotify used LLMs to produce its own music, to play to people who had background music or werent listening, so they could avoid paying royalties to real artists.

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          • D drorbedrack@mastodon.social

            @brucelawson Spotify used LLMs to produce its own music, to play to people who had background music or werent listening, so they could avoid paying royalties to real artists.

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            #57

            When an individual does it to Spotify, a crime. When Spotify does it to all musicians on their service (and incidentally *for* the music lables that own the musicians contracts as well as Spotify) not a crime. This is the social construction of law that we have today.

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            • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

              A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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              michaelvcooper1@mastodon.social
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              @brucelawson Am I the only idiot who read this, and now wants to go hear some of these songs?

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              • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                kewlcat@mastodon.social
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                #59

                @brucelawson Infinite money glitch!

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                • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                  A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                  @brucelawson

                  And in the naked light I saw
                  Ten thousand people, maybe more
                  People talking without speaking
                  People hearing without listening
                  People writing songs that voices never shared
                  No one dared
                  Disturb the sound of silence

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                  • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                    A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                    @brucelawson

                    Industry people got big mad at me when I was like..so?

                    Gamed the system, whatever. *Definitely* not worth criminal charges. Make dude pay back and be done with it.

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                    • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                      A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                      ziggy@nerdculture.de
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                      @brucelawson next are electric monks (See : Dirk Gentley)

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                      • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                        A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                        jackie@social.linux.pizza
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                        @brucelawson
                        "in an effort to mimic the genuine streaming activity of real consumers"

                        the law is such a joke

                        "agent" taking action on your behalf and screwing you over: legal

                        "agent" taking action in your behalf and screwing over a tech company: FRAUD

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                        • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                          A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                          ggmcbg@mstdn.plus
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                          @brucelawson

                          I hope his dick crawls up inside him and never wakes up.

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                          • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                            A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                            wingedsnake@mastodon.berlin
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                            @brucelawson Philipp k. Dick and John Brunner

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                            • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                              A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                              alexandermars@mastodon.social
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                              @brucelawson when I read this headline the other day, I had to check and make sure I didn't know the guilty party, because I have a friend that does exactly this to "print money" from streaming platforms.

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                              • A amoshias@esq.social

                                @WiteWulf @toriver @alessandro @brucelawson so the people accusing him said it was fraud

                                and your response to that is "case closed, it's fraud."

                                I hope you are never accused of a crime.

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                                toriver@mas.to
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                                @Amoshias @WiteWulf @alessandro @brucelawson THE COURT SAID IT WAS. Why do you assume the corporation runs the court? What is your alternative to courts? Spotify is a shitty company but why defend this asshole just because the target was this company? What if the target was a small company instead?

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                                • M michaelvcooper1@mastodon.social

                                  @brucelawson Am I the only idiot who read this, and now wants to go hear some of these songs?

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                                  jmcrookston@mastodon.social
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                                  @michaelvcooper1

                                  There are tons on YouTube. Fake music labels with identical looking AI video images and AI generated songs. Probably doing the same thing.

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                                  • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                    A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                    spacelifeform@infosec.exchange
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                                    @brucelawson

                                    Cheap way to generate ad revenue.

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                                    • toriver@mas.toT toriver@mas.to

                                      @Amoshias @WiteWulf @alessandro @brucelawson THE COURT SAID IT WAS. Why do you assume the corporation runs the court? What is your alternative to courts? Spotify is a shitty company but why defend this asshole just because the target was this company? What if the target was a small company instead?

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                                      amoshias@esq.social
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                                      @toriver @WiteWulf @alessandro @brucelawson saying it in all caps doesn't make it true.

                                      the court did not say this. if you believe I am incorrect, please provide a citation.

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                                      • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                        A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                        @brucelawson I can't prove it, but it's my deeply held belief that the tech bro social media sites use their proprietary AI to write bots in order to inflate traffic, and therefore ad revenue.

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                                        • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                                          A man used LLMs to generate hundreds of thousands of "songs", then used bots to stream them billions of times, to collect $8m in royalties. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-man-pleads-guilty-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence-0 Is there a better metaphor for late-stage capitalism than burning resources to make songs that are never listened to, then steaming them to robots that will never hear them, ad infinitum?

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                                          nom@mk.spook.social
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                                          #72

                                          Maybe the computers liked streaming those tunes!

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