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  • theloopfarm@mastodon.socialT theloopfarm@mastodon.social

    @ASardinianAbroad @usernomnomnom @EUCommission He's right. You attacked me and misrepresented my views.

    You should say sorry.

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    @theloopfarm @usernomnomnom @EUCommission my apologize then.

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    • asardinianabroad@mastodon.socialA asardinianabroad@mastodon.social

      @theloopfarm @usernomnomnom @EUCommission my apologize then.

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      @ASardinianAbroad @usernomnomnom @EUCommission awe thanks!

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      • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

        @EUCommission Yes absolutely, but not with age verification please.

        Hold providers like Meta and Alphabet to account.

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        @onepict @EUCommission This.

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        • the_universality@mastodon.novotnykrystof.comT the_universality@mastodon.novotnykrystof.com

          @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission

          This is quite too extreme. If at most, I would blame this on a good old corruption, (edit) but most likely this https://mstdn.social/@samueljohnson/116562301541092022 (/edit)
          Also, the EC is in no way far-right but rather left-leaning.

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          @The_Universality @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission I have corresponded with an MEPs. They are technologically illiterate, naive about the collateral effects, subjected to lobbying by both big tech firms and law enforcement that always wants more surveillance and uses horror stories effectively. In addition, some are religious fundamentalists with latent authoritarian instincts.

          None of that amounts to corruption.

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          • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

            The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

            From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

            Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

            That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

            More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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            @EUCommission

            You want a digital world for kids, then go ahead and create it and leave the internet alone. The internet is for everyone, but it's not a nursery. If it's not safe for your kid, don't let your kid use it. Use that Digital World thing you want, whatever that is.

            What, exactly, is so hard about telling your child no?

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            • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

              @The_Universality @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission I have corresponded with an MEPs. They are technologically illiterate, naive about the collateral effects, subjected to lobbying by both big tech firms and law enforcement that always wants more surveillance and uses horror stories effectively. In addition, some are religious fundamentalists with latent authoritarian instincts.

              None of that amounts to corruption.

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              @samueljohnson @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission That's why I've said at most, although I shall have been more specific.

              You are right on this. The good old nescience and/or incompetence is behind most.

              (I'll edit my previous message to mention this.)

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              • the_universality@mastodon.novotnykrystof.comT the_universality@mastodon.novotnykrystof.com

                @samueljohnson @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission That's why I've said at most, although I shall have been more specific.

                You are right on this. The good old nescience and/or incompetence is behind most.

                (I'll edit my previous message to mention this.)

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                @The_Universality @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission Thanks for your clarification. The EU has its faults and there have been corrupt and dishonest individuals in parliament and elsewhere, but to dismiss the entire EU as corrupt is simply wrong. It's currently the only organization on earth capable of regulating big tech, in Europe at least.

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                • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                  The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                  From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                  Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                  That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                  More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                  @EUCommission

                  Then maybe address it the right way, you write the following:

                  the negative impact of social media on their mental health (93%),
                  cyberbullying and online harassment (92%)

                  These two are addressed if you go after the real problem, Big tech and their algorithms, not restrict citizens rights by making us send more information to them.

                  assuring mechanisms to restrict age in appropriate content (92%).

                  This is plain and simple parenting, all my children have iPhones, none of them have social media because I speak to them about the issues and set boundaries, now none of them want it.

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                  • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                    @The_Universality @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission Thanks for your clarification. The EU has its faults and there have been corrupt and dishonest individuals in parliament and elsewhere, but to dismiss the entire EU as corrupt is simply wrong. It's currently the only organization on earth capable of regulating big tech, in Europe at least.

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                    @samueljohnson @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission
                    Indeed. I didn't meant to suggest dismissing the EU as corrupt. If it seemed that way, excuse my phrasing.

                    As for the ability to regulate big tech, I wouldn't be that optimistic.

                    (Not all things are verified)
                    https://rebalance-now.de/en/von-der-leyen-halts-billions-dollar-fine-against-google-criticism-from-parliament-and-civil-society/

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                    • the_universality@mastodon.novotnykrystof.comT the_universality@mastodon.novotnykrystof.com

                      @samueljohnson @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission
                      Indeed. I didn't meant to suggest dismissing the EU as corrupt. If it seemed that way, excuse my phrasing.

                      As for the ability to regulate big tech, I wouldn't be that optimistic.

                      (Not all things are verified)
                      https://rebalance-now.de/en/von-der-leyen-halts-billions-dollar-fine-against-google-criticism-from-parliament-and-civil-society/

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                      @The_Universality @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission I am also not optimistic about the EU's *willingness* to regulate big tech. Willingness and ability are not the same thing.

                      Apart from anything else the EU is currently constrained by matters of timing and circumstances may change later this year.

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                      • killick@dmv.communityK killick@dmv.community

                        @EUCommission

                        You want a digital world for kids, then go ahead and create it and leave the internet alone. The internet is for everyone, but it's not a nursery. If it's not safe for your kid, don't let your kid use it. Use that Digital World thing you want, whatever that is.

                        What, exactly, is so hard about telling your child no?

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                        @killick You know, if we kept dangerous sillionaires off the Internet, it could be as safe to kids as it used to be before Bocefaak.

                        @EUCommission

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                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                          The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                          From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                          Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                          That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                          More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                          @EUCommission
                          Parents are responsible. Not companies.
                          Also, digital safety doesn't allow for mass surveillance (called age verification)

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                          • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                            The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                            From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                            Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                            That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                            More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                            @EUCommission You could dismantle the whole attention economy by making it impossible to offer their services for free while making their users the product. Just by regulation, without any tech.

                            If for-profit social media would not be free, most kids would have no access. In fact, most adults would stop wasting their life there too. It would not only solve child safety, but make everyone’s life better. Without the need for age verification and building a surveillance state.

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                            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                              The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                              From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                              Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                              That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                              More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                              @EUCommission Avete toccato un tasto che qui, sul fediverso, non dovevate toccare.

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                              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                                From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                                Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                                That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                                More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                                @EUCommission Regulate companies not people.

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                                • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                  Hello @gnemmi!
                                  Yes, we are holding tech companies accountable. Our Digital Services Act gives us the legal means to do so. You can read more about it in this recent example:
                                  https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-preliminarily-finds-meta-breach-digital-services-act-failing-prevent-minors-under-13

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                                  @EUCommission @gnemmi Then why did Ursula von der Leyen scrap a fine to Google last week without any explanation? How is that holding them accountable for violating dsa?

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                                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                    The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                                    From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                                    Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                                    That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                                    More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                                    @EUCommission All is good but age verification systems are not the solution.

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                                    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                      Thank you for your comments, @Numerfolt and @onepict.
                                      Holding tech companies accountable is exactly what we are doing, and will do more of.
                                      Check out our deep-dive on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEaEsJRENPE&t=2s

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                                      @EUCommission

                                      Except that isn’t! You are actively assisting big tech with this move.

                                      Asking children and adults to identify themselves online isn't holding big tech companies responsible!

                                      Verifying who everyone is with government ids is not a solution. It’s a massive data breach waiting to happen.

                                      You are enabling much much more harm to children and everyone using the internet by pushing this narrative of verification.
                                      #chatcontrol #idverification #privacy #eu

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                                      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                        The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                                        From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                                        Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                                        That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                                        More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                                        cid_terron@social.linux.pizza
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                                        @EUCommission very high. Good.
                                        You've made quite a few laws ensuring child safety.
                                        Let's consider a law successful if children are safe.
                                        Have the unsuccessful tries been revoked and the incompetent supporters been removed?
                                        No - you definitely should. Child safety is important. But I consider abusing children for mass surveillance as child abuse.

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                                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                          The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                                          From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                                          Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                                          That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                                          More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                                          @EUCommission by providing a method to verify that a person is an adult, you are implicitly also adding a method for bad actors to verify that someone is underage, and someone they can take advantage of. The only safe solution is for sites to know less about their visitors, not more.

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